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Old 04-04-2011, 01:33 PM
 
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I for one would love to see many, many more reactors in the USA

but SMARTLY done...SMALL reactor...eliminate the Carter EO restricting us from RECYCLING the rods (would eliminate 90% of the waste)

usa has about 105 reactors...france has 48 reactors about half..yet they are only the size of texas
I, for one, would love to hear the rationale for your enthusiasm for nuclear energy in light of the unfolding disaster in Japan.

Seems to me to be an extremely irrational response.
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Orlando
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The reality is simple.

Radiation is not good for humans.

We have no idea how much was released or where it is going or what harm it will do

We have no means to fix the problem, we can't remove it from the soil or water or air

People downplay because they have NO idea. Some are foolish enough to still support this form of power. The useful life of reactors has been extended twice past what was originally planned.

A companies profits will be placed before the health of the people.

A company will lie to save its own A$$. The executives don't live near these plants.
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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Also on a side note, there has been a surge in autism rates from 1:250 to now as high as 1:91 children over the last 20 years? Why is that?
Because they used to be diagnosed as mildly retarded. Now that that term is politically incorrect, the number of kids being diagnosed as autistic seems to have increased.

I notice the nervous Nellies never, ever write about the progress we've made in medicine. The only things you guys ever notice or care about are the diseases we haven't cured yet. So, cancer is on the rise, eh? Would have rather lived when your parents were born? Things were soooo much better then, huh?
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Old 04-04-2011, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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The reality is simple.

Radiation is not good for humans.

We have no idea how much was released or where it is going or what harm it will do

We have no means to fix the problem, we can't remove it from the soil or water or air

People downplay because they have NO idea. Some are foolish enough to still support this form of power. The useful life of reactors has been extended twice past what was originally planned.

A companies profits will be placed before the health of the people.

A company will lie to save its own A$$. The executives don't live near these plants.
hmm by that logic the sun is a liability if is it has a solar flare and it hits us with a massive dose of Radiation it would do far worse.

Solar flares affect all layers of the solar atmosphere (photosphere, chromosphere, and corona), heating plasma to tens of millions of kelvins and accelerating electrons, protons, and heavier ions to near the speed of light. They produce radiation across the electromagnetic spectrum at all wavelengths, from radio waves to gamma rays, although most of the energy goes to frequencies outside the visual range and for this reason the majority of the flares are not visible to the naked eye and must be observed with special instruments.

Most flares occur in active regions around sunspots, where intense magnetic fields penetrate the photosphere to link the corona to the solar interior. Flares are powered by the sudden (timescales of minutes to tens of minutes) release of magnetic energy stored in the corona. The relation between solar flares and coronal mass ejections (CME) is still not well established.

Hazards
Solar flares strongly influence the local space weather in the vicinity of the Earth. They can produce streams of highly energetic particles in the solar wind, known as a solar proton event, or "coronal mass ejection" (CME). These particles can impact the Earth's magnetosphere (see main article at geomagnetic storm), and present radiation hazards to spacecraft, astronauts and cosmonauts.

Most proton storms take two or more hours from the time of visual detection to reach Earth's orbit. A solar flare on January 20, 2005 released the highest concentration of protons ever directly measured, taking only 15 minutes after observation to reach Earth, indicating a velocity of approximately one-third light speed, giving astronauts as little as 15 minutes to reach shelter.

from: Solar flare - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 04-04-2011, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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hmm by that logic the sun is a liability if is it has a solar flare and it hits us with a massive dose of Radiation it would do far worse.
The sun is, in fact, a liability. What, exactly is your point? We wear clothes, use sunscreen, and minimize our exposure to sun because it has the proven ability to kill. Again, what exactly is your point. How do you 'minimize' your exposure to radioactive iodine or cesium when the nuclear reactor you live 5 miles from goes into meltdown? We didn't build the sun. The sun pre-dates mankind by billions of years. Not a lot to be done about that, except learn to deal. Radiation from fallout is in addition to radiation from solar sources. The sum is deadly but you can only affect the value of one of the operands.... hmmm. What does the thinking person do??? Should we really expect Canada to be understanding when one of our northern reactors begins poisoning their air and water? Who would compensate the Canadians if a reactor in Buffalo, NY went critical and put the health of hundreds of thousands of Canadians in jeopardy to say nothing of the hundreds of thousands of Americans that would instantly be made homeless, jobless and facing a likely shorter life. An entire country has been taken offline by one nuclear accident. Whatever savings or efficiencies or whatever metrics have been used to justify the presence of nuclear in the power profile of Japan have been completely nullified by this catastrophe. It is going to cost 12 billion dollars to shut Fukushima down. Do you imagine it made that much money for Tepco in the ~40 years it was operational? France has this wonderful safety record and that's really great. One accident though could effectively destroy the country and a wide swath of Europe and thats just wrong. There is nothing on earth worth those odds.

It is very catastrophic when large airliners crash and kill everyone aboard. A lot of people work very hard all the time to keep it from happening but still it does. There would be, and there is, a lot more pressure to keep nuclear plants from experiencing meltdowns but still it happens. Not often, but it does happen. When it does, unknown thousands lose their lives in rather protracted and expensive ways, large areas of productive real estate have to be abandoned and that is just the beginning of the ultimate costs of an 'accident'. If that plant were not what it is: a joint U.S./British venture we would be suing the pants off the Japanese even as the fires burn and the full extent of damages unfolds. Conservatives are acting like they are immune to radiation. You're not. There is not one shred of justification for the further proliferation of nuclear energy in our country given current events. There is even less justification for the smarmy put downs of people who express concerns over the information blackout from those in a position to know more about what the world faces from the events in Japan.

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Old 04-04-2011, 04:58 PM
 
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Look..don't worry. The government will just increase the acceptable level limit and then it's ok.
Bwahahahaaaa!!! Love all my fellow Texans. Thanks for that. (and so true, btw.)
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Old 04-04-2011, 05:01 PM
 
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Oh how true ....


YouTube - EPA Set To Increase Radioactive Release Guidelines! This Must Be Stopped! - PAGs


The EPA have found new evidence that "Sheep" have an exceptionally higher tolerance to radiation than was originally believed. This seems to coincide with the decrease in the capacity to recognize blatant frauds.
Another great post! It's really not funny but thanks for the laugh. Dark humor at best. Sigh.
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Old 04-04-2011, 06:04 PM
 
Location: state of procrastination
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Well, the risk of not drinking water is death in 3-7 days... so pick your poison.
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Old 04-04-2011, 06:09 PM
 
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What about children? Thyroid's in Children are what, 100x more sensitive to it than adults? What about drinking it, breathing it, eating it for months?

has a 100 day biological half-life once inside the human body.

Potentially cancer-causing radiation from Fukushima has been encircling the world, traveling quickly on jet streams high in the atmosphere and falling with precipitation like rain and snow. It is already being detected in air, water and milk in some parts of the United States by local and state agencies. For example, San Francisco rain water radiation levels exceeded federal drinking water thresholds by as much as 181 times recently. A radioactive isotope, such as iodine-131, is supposed to have a half-life of eight days. This is inferred to mean that it breaks down quickly, and it quickly dissipates in the environment. However, the 8 day half-life can be a misnomer because radioactive iodine can really persist in the environment for many months and has a 100 day biological half-life once inside the human body.
Give your kids iodine it is that simple.
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Old 04-04-2011, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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You chicken littles had better be careful with that iodine...Excess iodine has symptoms similar to those of iodine deficiency. Commonly encountered symptoms are abnormal growth of the thyroid gland and disorders in functioning and growth of the organism as a whole. Iodides are similar in toxicity to bromides.

Elemental iodine is poisonous if taken orally in larger amounts; 2–3 grams of it is a lethal dose for an adult human.
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