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Old 04-05-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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Quietly helping out our forces and law enforcement personnel. Do you really think we stop these attempted terrorists attacks all on our own?

Why do you want to jeopardize that?

The SIL of a good friend of mine is a highly placed anti-terrorism specialist in LEO. He occasionally comments on emails that pass between a small group of us and he confirms what you say above--that much of the successes they have had preventing further terrorist attacks result from tips and information fed to them from people within the Muslim communities.
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:25 AM
 
Location: The Heartland
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At no point have I ever suggested he be denied his right to say or do whatever he wants. You, and all the others who are "defending his right to free speech" are ignoring that with freedom comes responsibility and that includes taking responsibility for the consequences of one's imprudent actions. He was told what would happen and asked not to go through with it. He disregarded that plea. The outcome was predictable and innocent people died in the chain reaction that resulted. Many people posting on this subject have their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge that inescapable fact.
What you say is mostly correct accept for the fact that people should not have been killed for his actions. He did not pull the trigger, extremists did. There is no excuse for the murder of innocent people for what Jones did in Florida.

Freedom of speech means freedom of speech, not just what people think is PC.

Was it irresponsible of him to do what he did, in my opinion yes but it is not for me to decide what is or is not irresponsible for another person to do or not do. I would not want you to be able to dictate to me what I can or cannot say and I am sure you would not want me to be able to tell you what to say or do.
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:30 AM
 
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At no point have I ever suggested he be denied his right to say or do whatever he wants. You, and all the others who are "defending his right to free speech" are ignoring that with freedom comes responsibility and that includes taking responsibility for the consequences of one's imprudent actions. He was told what would happen and asked not to go through with it. He disregarded that plea. The outcome was predictable and innocent people died in the chain reaction that resulted. Many people posting on this subject have their heads in the sand and refuse to acknowledge that inescapable fact.
It amazes me that people can blame someone that burns a book for the death of innocent people caused by people who did not burn the book.

Do you think MLK was warned that going forward with the civil rights movement was going to cause harm to innocent people. Should he have just shut up and stuck his head in the sand.

Some people should be praised for having the courage to put the target on their back.

Those people over there would kill themselves over anything. Do you not think their intent was to kill people and blame America to further their intimidation tactics.

Their terrorists and we don't negotiate with terrorists!
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:35 AM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Not always true. Clearly SOMEONE is helping us out, our we could not have been as successful as we have been in stopping their attacks on our own soil.
Spy's, I doubt that there are many Muslims talking to the feds about what goes on in their Mosques.



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We aren't at war with Iraq or Afghanistan. In fact we support the current governments of those countries.

Libya is a UN police action in which our role is, thankfully and for once, limited.
Call it what you like but, our military is present in all three and killing Muslims.



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If I were them, I wouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops either.
Exactly!!!

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That's why I got so pissed about those stupid hearings. Didn't anyone get the hint from the FBI to keep quiet about it?
Why keep quiet?
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:35 AM
 
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It amazes me that people can blame someone that burns a book for the death of innocent people caused by people who did not burn the book.

Do you think MLK was warned that going forward with the civil rights movement was going to cause harm to innocent people. Should he have just shut up and stuck his head in the sand.

Some people should be praised for having the courage to put the target on their back.

Those people over there would kill themselves over anything. Do you not think their intent was to kill people and blame America to further their intimidation tactics.

Their terrorists and we don't negotiate with terrorists!

You can die for burning the dinner over there!! They flew friggin jet liners into our buildings looooong before this pastor showed up!! So they don't need an excuse to kill!!
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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It amazes me that people can blame someone that burns a book for the death of innocent people caused by people who did not burn the book.
There's plenty of blame to go around. Why is it so hard for you guys to grasp that we can blame him AND the radical muslims?

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Do you think MLK was warned that going forward with the civil rights movement was going to cause harm to innocent people. Should he have just shut up and stuck his head in the sand.
Comparing this guy to MLK is downright insulting.

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Some people should be praised for having the courage to put the target on their back.
So we should praise this narcissistic attention ***** who doesn't care who dies as long as he makes the news?

Why?

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Those people over there would kill themselves over anything. Do you not think their intent was to kill people and blame America to further their intimidation tactics.
I think you give most of them too much credit for thought.

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Their terrorists and we don't negotiate with terrorists!

They're. Who is negotiating?
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:38 AM
 
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Spy's, I doubt that there are many Muslims talking to the feds about what goes on in their Mosques.
Why would you doubt that?

The fact that there hasn't been a significant terrorist attack on our soil pretty much proves to me that there is a significant element in the muslim community acting as informants.

And the stuff I hear from people I know in law enforcement supports this idea. They are getting good information.

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[b][b]Call it what you like but, our military is present in all three and killing Muslims.
Hopefully killing the radicals and not bombing weddings.


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Exactly!!!

Why keep quiet?
To not **** up what we already have in place!!!!
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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At some point a religious zealot will kill another religious zealot and we will be rid of Terry Jones.
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:41 AM
 
Location: North America
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cuz they were treated so well before? Them jihadists are such sweethearts if we treat them nice, huh?

No, I never said that. How can you read between the lines when I only wrote one?

This guy is doing this for publicity, not for any "higher" purpose. Our troops have enough to worry about, this guy made it worse.
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Old 04-05-2011, 10:52 AM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Why would you doubt that?

The fact that there hasn't been a significant terrorist attack on our soil pretty much proves to me that there is a significant element in the muslim community acting as informants.

And the stuff I hear from people I know in law enforcement supports this idea. They are getting good information.
I just don't think it is done often or by many.



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To not **** up what we already have in place!!!!
I know that when people attack Jones or the Westboro Clan for their outrageous behavior and because they are linked to Christianity that they are not attacking me personally because I am a Christian. I think that the smart Muslims know that the same applies to them.
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