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Old 04-05-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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There are people living in Egypt who are very socially conservative and who have a right, now, to express their ambitions. That's the point of democracy. To let people, even people not in the mainstream, to have a voice about the direction of the country.

As to modesty police, there are plenty of them in the United States. Just google the numerous attempts by state and local governments about dress codes. Arkansas just passed a saggy-pants law.
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:34 AM
 
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Nope, never said that. I never expressed my opinion on the probability of it at all, I merely asked you to support your rather grand assertion that it was basically predetermined.




History doesn't agree with you on that. It has happened in some cases, and not in others.
Name one. Just ONE!
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:35 AM
 
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Name one. Just ONE!
Jordan.
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:36 AM
 
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There are people living in Egypt who are very socially conservative and who have a right, now, to express their ambitions. That's the point of democracy. To let people, even people not in the mainstream, to have a voice about the direction of the country.

As to modesty police, there are plenty of them in the United States. Just google the numerous attempts by state and local governments about dress codes. Arkansas just passed a saggy-pants law.
Oh please..... What garbage. Yeah, the people there are just DYING to be oppressed worse than they were before, especially the women.
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:39 AM
 
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Jordan.
What about Jordan.
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Old 04-05-2011, 08:53 AM
 
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Oh please..... What garbage. Yeah, the people there are just DYING to be oppressed worse than they were before, especially the women.
So you think that a religious group's viewpoint should be silenced.

Democracy isn't about expressing just viewpoints that agree with one another. It's about a cacophony of voices. The women there have a voice, too, don't they. This modesty group isn't the only group trying to be heard, trying to have an impact on the future. In the United States, we don't silence the KKK. We don't silence the Westboro Church. We don't silence Catholics. We don't silence YOU. Everyone is free to use the voice they are Constitutionally guaranteed. In Egypt, they are having their first experience of this. The test, one which you would fail, is in tolerating the different points of view. Some of those points of view will be offensive, will be ugly. Some people will resort to violence to try to impose their will on others. If Egypt's people dedicate themselves to freedom, they will have freedom. If they choose to restrict religious freedom, that is up to the Egyptian people.

Just because the White Supremacists speak out in the United States via multiple groups, doesn't mean their will prevails. Just because religious conservatives speak out in the United States doesn't mean their will prevails. And just because religious conservatives speak out in other parts of the world doesn't mean that their will prevails. It might, but that will be up to the Egyptian people, who've fought for the right to direct their own affairs. Of course, you don't want that, either. Right? How dare they possibly decide that they want a different society than what we have in the United States? People who make different choices than you are bad people, aren't they? Bad, immoral, stupid, etc.
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Old 04-05-2011, 09:11 AM
 
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Post-Mubarak Egypt has Islamists calling for modesty police

So the MB calls for a modesty police because they know they are going to end up in control of Egypt. Now who's a conspiracy theorist again?
Maybe there will be a lot of buyer's remorse in Egypt once the people find out they just traded a secular dictatorship with an even more brutal Sunni dictatorship.

0bamna is fond of telling the leaders of countries that they must go, without a thought to how much worse the new leadership of those countries could be. Not every change is a good change.
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