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Old 04-07-2011, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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In what way? We're involved in a bloody civil war in Libya, killing innocent civilians and dropping bombs on both sides. All with no provocation.

I understand it is different with Afganistan, we had 3000 people killed in an attack launched from that country. Granted, I think we screwed up. We should have taken out Osama, then gotten out, 9 years ago. It wasn't our responsibility to pull a regime change there either.
I think Saudi Arabia (Still our allies) is where the 9/11 attackers had roots much more than Afghanistan. Afghanistan and Pakistan are just the wings we can attack without making an enemy out of S.A. Which to me points out how our interests are usually more in the name of capitalism than Democracy. We have no problem with dictatorships that serve our interests. I have no idea how we got sucked into Libya though. I never was a big fan of Obama's foreign policy but I just don't get this decision at all. America doesn't have the manpower or resources to pour into armed conflict with another country while protecting this country from terrorism with our new enemies. I hated everytime a news pundit asked the President "So what are your plans of action for the current crisis in Libya and Egypt?" Our own infrastructure is crumbling in America. We have no shortage of domestic crisis to deal with.
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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So...air strikes against people on the ground don't kill people, constitute intervention in a foreign country and drive regime change? Do tell.

Maybe Obama can hire Rumsfield to work for him. At least he had some clue how to do this.
Yup, the Bush team knew how to overthrow a dictator, they were just at a loss what do afterward. 0bama seems to be clueless at both.
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:31 PM
 
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i think the arabs want to take over libya? because everyone in libya isnt arab and all the people im seeing being interviewed are arabs
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Old 04-07-2011, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Ever since NATO got their airplane out of the shop they seem to have been bombing both sides with some effect
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:21 PM
 
Location: High Cotton
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Democrat says White House ‘dramatically underestimating’ military expenditures

A Democratic lawmaker says the White House is “dramatically underestimating” the true cost of the military’s involvement in Libya by relying on accounting that obscures the total financial burden being saddled on taxpayers.
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:24 PM
 
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Democrat says White House ‘dramatically underestimating’ military expenditures

A Democratic lawmaker says the White House is “dramatically underestimating” the true cost of the military’s involvement in Libya by relying on accounting that obscures the total financial burden being saddled on taxpayers.
of course...
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Old 04-07-2011, 10:53 PM
 
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what a surprise...what a surprise alot of people dont know about BERBER-ARAB CONFLICTS IN NORTH AFRICAN COUNTRIES

http://translating-jihad.blogspot.co...ot-muslim.html
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Old 07-07-2011, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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Ever since NATO got their airplane out of the shop they seem to have been bombing both sides with some effect
well to be honest with all the planes there the 4th gen canadian CF-18 must be the oldest sure it is upgraded to a bit but man can't wait till we get our F-5th gen 35's but I like the Rafale over the eurofighter and still think the F-15 is the best looking plane made but the french can make a better looking plane than the UK

YouTube - ‪The Rafale - French Stealth Jet - French Airforce‬‏
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Old 07-07-2011, 05:21 PM
 
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Yup, the Bush team knew how to overthrow a dictator, they were just at a loss what do afterward. 0bama seems to be clueless at both.
Everyone knows how to take out a dictator. The trick is not stupidly blundering into a decade-long occupation costing $800,000,000,000 and 4,400+ dead / 33,000+ wounded. So, an alternate plan: a slow but steady bombing campaign, costing $50,000,000/month (at that rate the mission would have to last over 1300 years in order to cost what the Iraq war has cost so far.

"I can't tell you if the use of force in Iraq today would last five days, or five weeks, or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that."
--Donald Rumsfeld, November 14, 2002

"It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months"
-- Donald Rumsfeld, February 7, 2003

"No one is talking about occupying Iraq for five to ten years."
-- Richard Perle, March 9, 2003

"I think it will go relatively quickly. Weeks rather than months."
-- Dick Cheney, March 16, 2003

Yeah, that Bush Administration sure knew how to overthrow a dictator! Too bad they were utterly clueless as to how to do it without pissing away a fortune and thousands of lives...
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Old 07-07-2011, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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A no fly zone is already in effect. Most of the Libyan defenses have been damaged. Surely NATO can do this on the cheap (without US). I am sure they dont want boots on the ground and have body bags coming back. Anyway, at least we need to get out of there....
what.. Canada had boots on the ground in afghanistan for 10 years and 3 years we were in charge of Khandhar and hemland province since US ground troops were pulled out to due the surge in troops Iraq from 06-09 and in late 09 to present we handed back and ran joint operations and behind US and british forces we took the 3rd largest amount of casualties.


YouTube - ‪Canada, US, UK - Brothers in arms‬‏
The Greatest Alliance is America, Canada, UK, Australia

I still can not belive that Canada was out in charge of the NATO mission in libya when france was the country that was chomping at the bit to go there and had jets over libya and a aircraft carrier off the coast before the US, Canada and the UK agreed to the mission.

I mean once ghadaffi is gone there is now way the US and Canada forces will stick around the EU can handle the rebuilding
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