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There is no doubt that not having sex is the surest way not to become pregnant, but the fact is sex is and has always been the greatest naturally shared imperative amongst humans. So this is what I don't understand; People are going to have sex and when they have sex and they become pregnant there is going to be this child that will need to be cared for. So, knowing that, I can't for the life of me reconcile how people who like myself oppose abortion (although I do not support a government prohibition), can also oppose funding for contraception, to avoid the need for abortion or aid to innocent dependent children who are born as a result of a lack of access to contraception and a ban on abortion.
There is no doubt that not having sex is the surest way not to become pregnant, but the fact is sex is and has always been the greatest naturally shared imperative amongst humans. So this is what I don't understand; People are going to have sex and when they have sex and they become pregnant there is going to be this child that will need to be cared for. So, knowing that, I can't for the life of me reconcile how people who like myself oppose abortion (although I do not support a government prohibition), can also oppose funding for contraception, to avoid the need for abortion or aid to innocent dependent children who are born as a result of a lack of access to contraception and a ban on abortion.
you are misinterpreting how many of us feel: I have no problem with educatiing young people about birth control, I am not even against funding for contractives, but it is what else PP stands for that bothers me. Add to that, there are many other avenues available, not just PP.
I think that those of you who oppose the kind of care PP provides on the basis that women need to take "personal responsibility" are terribly naive about the long-term consequences of unwanted pregnancies on society as a whole.
To be blunt, we either pay a small portion of our taxes to provide women the means to prevent/end unwanted pregnancies, or we pay a much larger price to provide social services later.
It would be wonderful if all unplanned pregnancies were redemptive, but children born into bad circumstances rarely make things better and often make them much, much worse.
It's not pleasant, but it's the unvarnished truth of the matter.
Last edited by formercalifornian; 04-09-2011 at 09:00 PM..
I might have something to say about this but I don't know who Lawrence O'Donnell is.
The last I heard nobody was shutting down Unplanned Parenthood. They just don't want taxpayer dollars to fund it. Surely, it could be your choice of a charity that you could contribute to if you feel strongly about it.
Odonnell is a die hard socialist and has flat out said as much. He is also a partisan hack and his tears are about as legitimate and meaningful as Glenn Beck's.
Why are people so ignorant? Family planning is not rocket science. Either you can or you cannot afford to raise and provide for children. If you can, then you do so at a pace commensurate with your financial and mental capability. If you can't then you wait until you can afford it or you deem yourself incapable of mental challenges associated with bringing children into this world.
It's not rocket science, but apparently its not within the realm of understanding of the Liberal Establishment either. Which is why you folks see no problem whatsoever with tax dollars being thrown at the personally irresponsible.
Agree with everything you've written.
The only thing is, you definitely don't want certain people breeding. It they can't even remember to take a pill before pulling down their pants for the next rutter that strolls by, you don't want them raising the next generation.
It's just a horrible situation all the way around.
I think that those of you who oppose the kind of care PP provides on the basis that women need to take "personal responsibility" are terribly naive about the long-term consequences of unwanted pregnancies on society as a whole.
To be blunt, we either pay a small portion of our taxes to provide women the means to prevent/end unwanted pregnancies, or we pay a much larger price to provide social services later.
It would be wonderful if all unplanned pregnancies were redemptive, but children born into bad circumstances rarely make things better and often make them much, much worse.
It's not pleasant, but it's the unvarnished truth of the matter.
And I agree with this too. However, I wish liberals would put half as much energy into changing the moral and sexual values in this country (of course, they'd have to start with themselves first). That's the kind of "change" we desperately need.
Read the constitution. Nowhere does it say the federal government is supposed to take money away from it's citizens and fund abortion services or even planned parenthood for that matter. The primary goal of the U.S. Government is to protect the country.
Abortion? WHY is it necessary in most cases? I can see issues of rape/incest, mother's life/health at stake, etc. BUT... Millions of abortions? Simply cause some man couldn't keep it in his pants, or some woman couldn't keep her clothes on? There's a thread about someone who's already had like 15 or more abortions... WHY? Use birth control, or don't have sex, but don't take money out of the mouth's of my family, or keep me from buying stuff for my grand daughter, because you wanted to have sex and the expected consequences took place.
Yes, it's curt, and ugly, but it's the truth. Medical services like mammograms and blood pressure, I don't have a problem with, but getting pregnant, that's avoidable. We are supposed to be better than the animals, why act like the animals.
How judgmental of you! Who are you to decide that behaving like a mindless animal is wrong?
The problems we face in this country with regard to either irresponsible sexuality or healthcare are so much larger than the issue of funding for Planned Parenthood. I can see logic in the arguments both for and against government funding for PP. If we had even a modicum of morality left in this country, though, PP wouldn't need to be such a HUGE organization taking up so much money, and one has to wonder at how successful they have really been in their aim of providing contraception, given that millions of women are still having abortions. One has to ask, have they really been a success? Not a rhetorical question.
HOW COME no one HAS REALIZED the ORWELLIAN phrase of "PLANNED PARENTHOOD"
Planned parenthood use to mean... two adults, typically engaged in the spiritual and emotional bond of marriage... PLANNING TO HAVE A CHILD!
Today, in the Liberal Orwellian World of Gov't first, individual last... Planned parenthood means the exact opposite.. that of KILLING FETUSES.
Discuss.
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