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You own it but I have no problem having you pay for the government granted protection you receive for your deed. This is what should be taxed.
Title insurance is what you buy to protect your property from those who would steal it. Unfortunately government does not provide "protection" from those who would steal your property or use it to extort money from you (liens, or faked injuries). You would have to hire a lawyer at incredible expense to defend yourself against any such attack; government doesn't deal in consumer protection at all.
The only entity likely to steal your property is the local government, who will confiscate it and sell it if you can't pay the $14,000 or so demanded every year here in southern NH. And since this is basically paying "protection money" like you'd pay a Mobster not to beat you up, it is hardly justifiable. Or ethical.
Property taxes used to be simply to pay your pro-rata share of the public services you receive. Unfortunately local governments found it much more lucrative to be in the business of "wealth equalization" and now will charge you a huge amount to punish you for having a nice home.
Title insurance is what you buy to protect your property from those who would steal it. Unfortunately government does not provide "protection" from those who would steal your property or use it to extort money from you (liens, or faked injuries). You would have to hire a lawyer at incredible expense to defend yourself against any such attack; government doesn't deal in consumer protection at all.
The only entity likely to steal your property is the local government, who will confiscate it and sell it if you can't pay the $14,000 or so demanded every year here in southern NH. And since this is basically paying "protection money" like you'd pay a Mobster not to beat you up, it is hardly justifiable. Or ethical.
Property taxes used to be simply to pay your pro-rata share of the public services you receive. Unfortunately local governments found it much more lucrative to be in the business of "wealth equalization" and now will charge you a huge amount to punish you for having a nice home.
The government does record your deed. I am actually for land tax, not improved property tax.
"We Geolibertarians distinguish ourselves from right-wing, "royal" libertarians by our profound respect for the principle that one has private property in the fruits of one's labor. This includes the fruits of mental labor and the results of reinvestment of legitimate private property (capital) in future production. We remain consistent in that respect by recognizing, as did the classic liberals, that land and raw natural resources are not the fruits of labor, but a common heritage to be accessed on terms that are equal under the law for everyone. The statist system of land tenure empowers non-producing landlords to extract the fruits of tenants' labor." Dan's geolibertarian home page
Exactly! How the hell do you fund police, fire, and other government services without real estate taxes?
It's almost like some people want to go back go feudal times, where the average person had NOTHING and ALL the poltical and economic power is controlled by the wealthy.
Or you could fund them with different taxes instead of clouding the ownership of private property. You could actually have an outright police/fire/municipal government fee/tax not attached to private property could you not?
Or you could fund them with different taxes instead of clouding the ownership of private property. You could actually have an outright police/fire/municipal government fee/tax not attached to private property could you not?
Taxes on property that are not the fruits of ones labor is much more efficient than taxing the fruits of your labor.
Men did not make the earth.... It is the value of the improvement only, and not the earth itself, that is individual property.... Every proprietor owes to the community a ground rent for the land which he holds. [RIGHT]--Tom Paine, "Agrarian Justice," paragraphs 11 to 15[/RIGHT]
That's pretty simple to do. Impose a tax on each separate service. That tax can be added as an addition to local/County/State sales tax. Then property is truly owned and cannot be taken away. In addition, everyone knows exactly how much each service costs and can make the determination as to whether or not it is worth it, too high or there is room for higher fee.
I have always maintained that property, and especially property upon which one's home rests, should never be at the mercy of government as a fulfillment of the guarantees of our Constitution.
Everyone benefits from these services whether they own property or not. I say figure out another way to pay for it and eliminate property taxes.
Keep them. We don't have state tax in FL, so we collect from property tax.
Actually, FL gets a lot of revenue from tourism.
I lived in FL my whole life and property taxes there, at least where I lived, are relatively low. Here in WI, we have state income tax, sales tax that is only 1% less than FL, plus exorbitant property taxes. Trust me, FL is not getting a ton of revenue from property tax in the grand scheme of things.
Just pay your damn taxes and quit whining! Geez...everybody wants something and NOBODY wants to pay for it. Property taxes fund things....someone paid property taxes when you were benefitting from them but weren't paying them yourself.
The government does record your deed. I am actually for land tax, not improved property tax.
"We Geolibertarians distinguish ourselves from right-wing, "royal" libertarians by our profound respect for the principle that one has private property in the fruits of one's labor. This includes the fruits of mental labor and the results of reinvestment of legitimate private property (capital) in future production. We remain consistent in that respect by recognizing, as did the classic liberals, that land and raw natural resources are not the fruits of labor, but a common heritage to be accessed on terms that are equal under the law for everyone. The statist system of land tenure empowers non-producing landlords to extract the fruits of tenants' labor." Dan's geolibertarian home page
Good heavens, here I was completely unaware that I'm now a "Geolibertarian".
How about we go back to calling ourselves Classical Liberals, like we used to?
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Exactly! How the hell do you fund police, fire, and other government services without real estate taxes?
It's almost like some people want to go back go feudal times, where the average person had NOTHING and ALL the poltical and economic power is controlled by the wealthy.
That's pretty much the GOP's plan for America, the 'Path to Prosperity' is quite narrow and will accomodate few.
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