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View Poll Results: Which of these would you eliminate, or almost eliminate?
ATF 33 29.73%
DEA 41 36.94%
FEMA 26 23.42%
Indian subsidies 47 42.34%
Farm subsidies 64 57.66%
GM and other corporate bailouts 83 74.77%
Foreign aid 74 66.67%
Dept of Education 54 48.65%
EPA 35 31.53%
Funding for arts like NPR 57 51.35%
ObamaCare 60 54.05%
DHS 41 36.94%
HUD 45 40.54%
DOT 22 19.82%
EEOC 35 31.53%
AIDS funding 42 37.84%
Wind and Solar energy subsidies 41 36.94%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 111. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-15-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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Did the US really do that well before there were government programs? There was a lot more poverty and injustice. Maybe people today tend to forget that...

Although certain programs may have gotten out of hand, none of them was created for fun, but because there was good reason to do so in order to address problems.
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:36 PM
 
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And while I know that there are many among you who don't believe in any gun regulations, for those more sane, you seem to forget that BATF is also charged with licensing and inspecting of all firearms dealers and manufacturers as well as overseeing the import and exportation of firearms.

These functions you want to turn over to local law enforcement?

You might also be interested in the fact that BATF is also the leading investigative and training agency for explosives, you know the folks who unraveled the bombings in Oklahoma, the World Trade Center and the Olympics in Atlanta. They are the main agency charged with researching explosive threats and measures for eliminating their risk.

Is this a responsibility that you want to turn over to Barney Fife PD?

Of course you could merge BATF into a number of other agencies, of course that wouldn't significantly reduce the costs, but hey.
So cut or move 90% of ATF to state and local govts or the FBI.

We don't need a highly regulated alcohol and tobacco industry.
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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When you re do you post I will reply

You ask which program, then you list agencies and departments.

Hint DEA is not a program, etc.

Thank you for the grammar lesson. Next time I'll be sure to use legal language so you won't be conflicted. I think everyone else got the intent and had no problem with the poll.
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Did the US really do that well before there were government programs? There was a lot more poverty and injustice. Maybe people today tend to forget that...

How did you decide that? The poverty rate has remained almost flat since LBJ started the "war on poverty" in 1964.
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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There are plenty of others. All consume microscopic parts of the budget so they should be easier to cut.
But it's more the principle of the thing.
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Old 04-15-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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How did you decide that? The poverty rate has remained almost flat since LBJ started the "war on poverty" in 1964.
I assume poverty was defined differently back in 1964. Let alone during the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Decades ago rivers were so polluted they killed any life and even caught fire. No wonder there was a need for an EPA.
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Old 04-15-2011, 03:05 PM
 
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I'm amazed that CORPORATE BAILOUTS isn't overwhelmingly winning this poll. It's not even the #1 selection right now.
I was going to check it too, but it
said GM, and I have strong sentiment for our American
Car companies.

Now if it had just said bank bailouts, AIG, I would have
checked it.
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Old 04-15-2011, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Dallas
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Decades ago rivers were so polluted they killed any life and even caught fire. No wonder there was a need for an EPA.

Yes, that is why I did not vote to eliminate EPA. They should be scaled back, but we need the basic protections.
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Old 04-15-2011, 03:09 PM
 
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I assume poverty was defined differently back in 1964. Let alone during the 19th and early 20th centuries.
Decades ago rivers were so polluted they killed any life and even caught fire. No wonder there was a need for an EPA.
There is a need for the EPA, but not at the expense and
extreme they have taken it.

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Old 04-15-2011, 03:20 PM
 
Location: South Portland, Maine
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Dept of Education - adds nothing to the education equation but absorbs billions in funding annually.

ATF - what exactly is it these guys are supposed to be doing again? Keeping guns away from criminals? Really?

Corporate bailouts - bail yourselves out, boys. Start by ending bonuses for CEOs and directors who drive you to the brink of bankruptcy.
As someone with a L.E. background I have had the pleasure of knowing quite a few ATF agents... Like "most" in law enforcement they know that gun laws keep guns away from the innocent most of the time and many of them will try and justify their existance by acknowledging that they do more validating ones right to have what ever weapons they have rather than taking them away...

with that said I think this agency could be scaled down considerably...

Same goes with DEA as I dont really like massive drug laws and think we could spend the billions of dollars it cost to investigate, prosecute, and incarcerate non violent drug offenders in a much more effective way..

But with that said there is some usefullness in both these agencies and I think they should still exist..
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