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It goes on and on and on and on. You know it, I know it, everyone reading this knows it. The only fix is to wipe out the status quo in the government. Reset the logic that is ruining this country. Stop the corruption and the backroom dealings and there will definately be plenty of money. Remove the deduction loopholes for corporations and the politicians who create them for political gain, and move to a flat or fair tax and you'd see our economy explode. The politicians are telling us they'll get us out of this mess when they are the ones who got us into it.
And Ron Paul is now considering running again in 2012.
Have "the people" woken up yet ? Time will tell whether or not we really care.
It is their only chance at a socialist utopia, with the central government knowing exactly what everyone needs to do to live in peace and no violence.
The only folks promoting "socialist utopias" are reactionary nutcases who are going to drive people into demanding the very thing that you accuse liberal capitalist of trying to achieve by ignoring all historical precedent. For all of capitalism wonderful qualities it is inherently inefficient at providing for the welfare of significant portions of a population as a result like any society that cannot efficiently provide for the majority of a society it is highly vulnerable social unrest. Recognizing that, CAPITALIST progressives created the welfare state for the very purpose of staving off the "rising specter of communism" that was sweeping not only Europe but the U.S. as well. And, for 75 years it has been exceedingly successful at doing so. So, please my amusement as I watch reactionaries rush headlong to recreate the very conditions that gave rise to socialist and communist movements in the first place.
The only folks promoting "socialist utopias" are reactionary nutcases who are going to drive people into demanding the very thing that you accuse liberal capitalist of trying to achieve by ignoring all historical precedent. For all of capitalism wonderful qualities it is inherently inefficient at providing for the welfare of significant portions of a population as a result like any society that cannot efficiently provide for the majority of a society it is highly vulnerable social unrest. Recognizing that, CAPITALIST progressives created the welfare state for the very purpose of staving off the "rising specter of communism" that was sweeping not only Europe but the U.S. as well. And, for 75 years it has been exceedingly successful at doing so. So, please my amusement as I watch reactionaries rush headlong to recreate the very conditions that gave rise to socialist and communist movements in the first place.
It's one thing to care for those who can no longer care for themselves and quite another to create a state of existence that depends on it from the cradle to the grave. It didn't work for Russia and it certainly won't work here. But I'm glad you find it amusing.
Capitalism has been hijacked by the uber wealthy, mostly European, who are greedy, not just for money, but for control. They've create chaos intentionally and like firing a gun in a heard of cattle, we are being led towards a cliff.
We have to stop printing paper and calling it money. We have to live within our means, so why can't our government. People need to start pulling their weight and stop sucking on the nipple of mother goverments entitlement mind control. A good parent prepares thier children for the world, they don't keep them locked in the basement.
And did those inquiries lead to jobs where you made enough money to support yourself and your family? Did you have to buy tools for your lawn services or did you already have them on hand? Did you have to buy a truck to do the hauling, or do you already have one?
Don't get me wrong; I think it's great you've done those things.
It's not always that easy.
These are things I've done because I was able. I have friends who have done other things when faced with the same situation. Everyone's situation is unique and finding new sources of income sometimes requires thought, but when someone says they haven't come up with anything after two years, I have to question their motivation.
To answer your questions...
Yes, I squeaked by most of the time.
I purchased a used commercial mower and truck and, except the trailer, I had the rest.
The trailer I used was given away for free on Craig's List. I repaired it and modified it to suit the job.
Ummm your post is beyond Bizarre, I ummm don't have a lawn service I live rural and we don't have paper routes. Nor do I know how to repair a washing machine. This thread is about food stamps.
"I ummm don't have a lawn service"
Ummm, why not?
"I live rural and we don't have paper routes"
Then you must grow much of your own food.
Got chickens, or do you pay for eggs with your card?
"Nor do I know how to repair a washing machine"
Why would you repair a washing machine before you scrap it?
Lots of people have heavy metal items they need gone. Scrap yards pay cash for anything made out of metal.
For example...
dryer for scrap (http://detroit.craigslist.org/okl/zip/2266050362.html - broken link)
People like you simply blame the same people for everything. You also believe everything no matter how far from the truth it is if it fits in your box. How much are the dues to the Blame a Replublican Club anyway? Two months ago it was Republicans who caused the AZ massacre by their rhetoric and maps with targets, now its they will kill old people..
People like me? People like me read the link the OP posted. Had you read the link you would have known that one of the examples was helping the elderly in Boston if they needed anything. How much is your dues to the Glen Beck I don't read anything I just know what Glen Beck tells me club. As far as AZ shootings goes when Beck tells his TV audience that you have to shoot them in the head. Then some conservative nut case starts shooting LIBERALS in the head what should we think.
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Pelosi said Republicans would kill 6m elderly, when there are only 1.7m on the rolls. You honestly believe Republicans want to kill 1.7M elderly? I'm sorry, but my 95 year old grandmother and a mother in her seventies would probably take issue with this. Get your facts straight. The left has become adept at overblowing EVERYTHING lately. A $36B cut to a $4T budget is chump change, yet the fate of the known world hangs on it..
What rolls are you talking about right now their are over 30 million seniors in this country. So please tell me how one of them get into your special club of 1.7 million. I see your mother and grandmother survived One wonders why you father and grandfather didn't make the club.
In case Beck didn't tell you we are 18 months into that budget. Kind of hard to cut from a budget that has already been spent. Or do you go to the grocery store and tell them that you just cut groceries 10% and demand 10% of you money back from last month. How stupid is that?
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Such silly ignorant nonsense.
This is how you debate whether the elderly should deserve help if they need it. Must be that compassionate conservatism I heard about.
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I'd worry more about putting the elderly into Obamacare and relying on politicians to decide who gets treatment and who dies. With it firmly in place food won't be an issue anymore.
We have Medicare now, is that happening if so please show a link.
And Ron Paul is now considering running again in 2012.
Have "the people" woken up yet ? Time will tell whether or not we really care.
Some of the people have, but this process is driven by pain.
As long as voters are more concerned with who is on Idol than who contributes to political campaigns, and therefore owns our elected officials, we will continue down the same path of deficit spending, blame shifting and corruption. Only when continuing down this path is unthinkable to the now disinterested will change along.
I don't think the main issue here is helping people who have fallen on hard times, it's the fact that the government is actively promoting food stamps to people that don't specifically request them. They are spending money on marketing to give out more free money.
It's one thing to care for those who can no longer care for themselves and quite another to create a state of existence that depends on it from the cradle to the grave. It didn't work for Russia and it certainly won't work here. But I'm glad you find it amusing.
I think that we should come up with an equivalent to Godwin's Law based not on the logical fallacy of using Hitler as a false analogy but rather socialism. Maybe we can call it Catto's Law?
But I digress...
Apparently you recognize a need to take care of those who can not care for themselves then the question becomes who are those individuals; children born to parents who can neither feed or cloth them; people with disabilities that make them unable to function in society much less the workplace, seniors citizens, or those displaced by the ebb and flow of economic fortune then who perchance do you speak?
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Capitalism has been hijacked by the uber wealthy,
This is one of the most marvelously confounding and ludicrous rationalizations put forth by capitalist apologist ever! Well of course capitalism has been "hijacked" by capitalist! who else would control such an economic system the Workers! That is the very nature of capitalism! It is the inherent nature of the thing! Even Adam Smith knew that and warned those who actually have read Wealth of Nations that this is precisely what would happen!
There are long two checks against unbridled economic and political power that go hand in hand with the accumulation of great wealth which is inevitable in a capitalist society, labor unions with government playing the role of mediator, or simply government alone. Personally I prefer the former and not the latter for there needs to be checks and balances on the power of all three. But since in recent years both government and capital have done everything to destroy or inhibit unions (both nationally and internationally) the task has been left to only one party, government which in my humble opinion has failed miserably at the task.
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We have to stop printing paper and calling it money.
So what should I do the next time I'm at the grocery for a pack of smokes, step up to the ATM machine and wait until it disgorges a bag full of goal?
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We have to live within our means, so why can't our government.
Of course the government must operate within the means of a society now what that has to do with my previous statements is a mystery to me. Unless of course the canard is that spending on those who can do the least for themselves is the cause of the current economic crisis or more accurately the scapegoat.
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People need to start pulling their weight and stop sucking on the nipple of mother goverments entitlement mind control.
Which brings us back to your opening statement; "It's one thing to care for those who can no longer care for themselves." Who are these people who don't want to pull their weight, what percentage of the population do they represent. If we can identify who they are, we can certainly adjust those programs for those truly in need without shiit canning the entire system of supports just to weed out the miscreants. I am full square in favor of the former, but I'll be damned if I will ever support the latter.
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A good parent prepares thier children for the world, they don't keep them locked in the basement.
Yada, yada, yada! Bromides and homilies are wonderful for those handknitted dollies that granny used hang off the back of granddad's rocker but the fact is all parents aren't good and so we as a society have a responsibility and more importantly self-interest in dealing with the results, however, folks like yourself a abjectly bereft of the merest suggestion of how to proceed outside of some 19th century Dickinsoneque solution, as a result, putting this nation at risk of the very social movements that you now decry, socialism or worse.
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I live rural and we don't have paper routes. Nor do I know how to repair a washing machine.
This thread is about food stamps.
