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Old 04-20-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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The art of government is to make two-thirds of a nation pay all it possibly can pay for the benefit of the other third.

François-Marie Arouet
And in the USA, that government dependent third is becoming more than half in many regions. There are places now where more babies are born into welfare than to taxpayers.

Poverty classes are growing at sky high rates. It's not sustainable.
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:43 AM
 
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This wasn't imagined when it was created in the 1930s....thus the trouble we are in.
Medicaid in the 1930s? I think you mean medicare-Social Security and even back in the 30s medicare was not part of the beginnings of Social Security. Medicare really did not come about until the early 1970s.
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:43 AM
 
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And in the USA, that government dependent third is becoming more than half in many regions. There are places now where more babies are born into welfare than to taxpayers.

Poverty classes are growing at sky high rates. It's not sustainable.
Then tell this big companies to hire AMERICANS IN AMERICA and not OVERSEAS. Americans want to work!
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I don't know what the largest entitlement programs are moneywise.
We shouldn't be cherry picking though..across the board is the way to go.

EVERYONE in the US needs to tighten their belt..not just "the rich".
Then you're in no position to talk about cuts if you don't even know what you want to cut from, or what people are against getting cut.
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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cutting the federal workforce indiscriminately by 1/3 just seems arbitrary. To me it makes much more sense to target specific responsibilities that the federal gov't has adopted over the years, and dissolve those entire departments, shifting that responsibility to the individual states.
That would be the best case scenario, but that would only happen under emergency conditions and where a president had near dictatorial power.

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I agree with the majority of the American people.
That's of little comfort, since it is the majority of American people who are voting in their own selfish interests who caused these problems in the first place.
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:46 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Yes, that's the whole problem. The USA could take care of it's own people but that very massive increases in poverty have a whole lot to do with wild immigration rates and the third world nation's impoverished coming here to cash in on our welfare programs.

We'll see American citizens cut before anything is done about those coming here illegally cut, and it's the illegal population having more children than any American group.

And immigration levels were up in 2010 -- nevermind the high unemployment rates, definitely not all come to work. One baby born here and they never really have to worry about work again, and it's the taxpayers who will support them the rest of their days.

Immigration is one reason Medicaid spending is growing by leaps and bounds, there are no limits on this program, unlike Medicare where the recipients paid in and must be over a certain age, there is a natural control how many can be on Medicare, absolutely no control over Medicaid growth rates since all it takes is to get into this country, give birth.
Don't forget to add that yes, their children are American but (chicken vs egg) they wouldn't be here had their Parents not come illegally. If I throw my kid over a fence to a party it doesn't put him automatically on the guest list but somehow we allow Citizenship that way.
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Then you're in no position to talk about cuts if you don't even know what you want to cut from, or what people are against getting cut.
I don't cherry pick...EVERYONE gets affected by cuts.

Let the libs bicker in Congress over this....the debt grows under the QE programs. M3 is humming along at 13% with money creation.

How long do you think this will last ?
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I agree with the majority of the American people.

My solutions?

Cut the federal workforce by a third and consolidate all redudancy. Cut military spending in half. End military operations in Iraq & Afghanistan and send all of those troops to the US/Mexico border that they would patrol as strictly as a prison wall. Cut federal subsidies to billion dollar companies and invest that money into small businesses and vocational training.

Lastly, adopt strict a pay-as-you-go spending policy. No new bonds. Period.

Idealistic and unrealistic-I know. But that's what I would do.

Thank goodness that random polls and rule by the majority don't govern this country then.
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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I don't cherry pick...EVERYONE gets affected by cuts.

Let the libs bicker in Congress over this....the debt grows under the QE programs. M3 is humming along at 13% with money creation.

How long do you think this will last ?
Nobody is accusing you of cherry picking. Besides, you can cherry pick only if you could identify cherries. All you were being asked to do is to provide a list of what you consider to be entitlements (the cherries, if you prefer). Trust me, I'm not against trimming the fat. Entitlement spending must be reigned in, and I can see why people are opposed to such cuts that they see affecting them (not so much if it doesn't). When you can't figure out why they do, a good start would be to know what the heck they don't want cut.
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Old 04-20-2011, 08:54 AM
 
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What a shock. Everyone wants their's. Not surprising since there are an awful lot of people not willing to give up their cable tv, $300/month car payments, etc....while having thousands of dollars in debt.

At some point you have to say we've just spent enough. We can do it now willingly...or later when we have to. It'll be easier to do it now.
Spent enough in Social Security and medicare? If the US wasn't in bed with Wall Street and with international investors we wouldn't be propping up a Communist regime with millions of jobs from capitalist nations around the world. Can you believe the most wealthiest nation on earth is China (or a strong second) that has trillions of western cash and can't figure out what to do with it all (was stated on C_SPAN this morning)? We need to protect our jobs just a tab more and boost our coffers, not Red China's, then people can enjoy the benefits they paid for.

It's strange to me that the far right will not hesitate to strip away SS and medicare from hard working americans, then call it communistic-socialistic benefits but have absolutely no problem with our capital and labor going to a communist regime in droves.
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