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Old 12-04-2012, 12:13 PM
 
Location: In a Galaxy far, far away called Germany
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BTW California is currently leading the nation in job creation and unlike Texas they're mostly good paying jobs and not minimum wage jobs.
According to CNBC Texas is #1 & Cali #2. Texas is leading in many sectors that pay far more than minimum wage. Texas only growing minimum wage jobs is a myth generated by election year politics.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/48018076/page/11
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:16 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Water is going to be our achilles heel.
I dunno, IMHO it's going to be a toss-up between water and electricity. We're not growing our infrastructure nearly as fast as we need to to keep up with this ridiculous population growth. And of course if we do start growing that infrastructure, we'll all pay for it through higher utility bills/taxes. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:31 PM
 
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That's mostly a myth (that Texas only creates minimum wage jobs.)

In fact the major Texas cities rank well in rankings of income growth, and one of our major cities (Houston) is in the top 5 in the country for highest pay.
The Cities Where People Earn the Biggest and Smallest Paychecks - Yahoo! Finance
And to add to what you said, cost of living is vastly greater in places like San Jose than in places like Dallas TX.

So even if a person earns a smaller salary in TX, it is not accurate to suggest that means they have less disposable income.

For instance a person in Dallas making 75k a year, would need 117k+ to keep the same standard of living in San Jose and $126k in San Fran.

using Houston is quite interesting.
The link you provide shows a median income of $66,700 for a college degreed wage earner. That person would need to make 111K+ in San Jose.
While San Jose ranks number 1 in the linked article, a worker there making $93,100 (the listed median income for college degreed earners) would only need to make $55,624 to have the same standard of living.

You are absolutely correct. Those who try to pass of this “Texas jobs are low wages” do so based on ignorance. It simply is not true.
Texas is a high wage lost cost place.
CA has the appearance of being a high wage place to live but factor in the astronomical cost of living there and the picture darkens sharply.

For those who like links and playing with Cost of living calculators…

http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:34 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Noted, but those are also areas with some of the highest costs of living in the country.
... because people keep moving here.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:44 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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... because people keep moving here.
And the cost of living in north Texas keeps increasing too, for the same reason. Hopefully we'll never catch up with northern California.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:45 PM
 
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... because people keep moving here.
actually it isn’t just because "people keep moving there".

There is a great deal more to it than that and I would be willing to bet that is a much smaller percentage of the equation than you think.

The reality is, CA while huge, is very limited in its ability to grow in size. Cities like San Fran, are just about out of land that can be developed. Expansion outwards means moving great distances from centers where the work is.

Also CA has very restrictive coding standards for any new construction and even for reuse of existing structures that make it much more expensive to simply do business there. These costs stem from prudent (building codes related to building in an earthquake zone) to the ridiculous like having to prove their aren’t endangered salamanders on the location you want to put up some building…. I actually know a guy stuck with a piece of land he cannot use, cannot sell but has to pay taxes on over the existence of a single salamander that very possibly was dropped there by a wacked out Cali-eco-nut.

The byzantine regulatory reality of CA is likely the worst in the nation and costs its citizens in real standard of living.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:47 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Congratulations for what? Creating a bunch of $7.25 an hour jobs? Has the author of this column even bothered looking at the jobs that are coming to or being created in Texas? Let's just say you don't need an M.B.A. from Harvard to get one.

While Perry declares, "I have created so many jobs in our state" many are thinking in their minds, "And I have three of them."

Samsung, AMD & Dell are hiring... A little more than $7.25 an hour.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:50 PM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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I think the small net migration out of CA is mostly creepy rightwingers bailing out and going to their promised land, Texas. Good riddance. Now they'll stop jamming up our legislature so that we can work together to get things done.

Also, people seem to forget about huge airconditioning bills in Texas when figuring out the cost of living.

By the way, did anyone check out the "net migration" thing to see if it's legit, and not just playing with stats?
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:50 PM
 
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And look where cities #1 and #2 are.

It’s worth pointing out a second time.... but if you take cost of living into consideration, SF and SJ both fall well below Houston. In fact both of those CA cities would end up being middle of the pack it just costs way too much to live there to be worth living there.
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Old 12-04-2012, 12:53 PM
 
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I think most of the small net migration out of CA is mostly creepy rightwingers bailing out and going to their promised land, Texas. Good riddance. Now they'll stop jamming up our legislature so that we can work together to get things done.

By the way, people seem to forget about huge airconditioning bills in Texas when figuring out the cost of living.

LOL! we do have hot summers! But seriously that is taken into consideration. you guys pay way more per KW than we do so you end up paying close to the same. your gas has a 20% premium.

Total Energy costs in CA are 22% higher.
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