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Old 04-24-2011, 06:36 AM
 
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Michael Savage was going on about this and I thought he was making a pretty weak characterization of Einhorn. I like Savage most of the time. I listen to his show almost every day its on.
Einhorn was a hippy left wing sex crazed dirt bag. If he got into environmentalism it was only to get heard and get people around him to sponge off of. Many environmentalists fall into that category but so do many extremists right and left. But I wouldn't condemn the environmentalist movement and hold this douchebag up as an example of them.
I'm no big fan of the environmentalist movement since it got hijacked by the far left and is only used to further their other agendas. Then again, I also don't like the " I hate treehuggers" mentality of many on the far right. You can look at both extremes and see examples of idiocy.
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Old 04-24-2011, 06:42 AM
 
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I am sorry. This is not propaganda, this is reality. The presumption of "opportunities for the poor" is actually enslavement of the poor via entitlements. The democratic party has created a modern day plantation system in which the poor and underpriveledged become dependent and conditioned to recieve handouts in exchange for votes. If that demographic ever rose out of poverty, they would no longer need democrats, thus the incentive for the liberal leadership to keep the poor right where they are. Social mobility would destroy the whole "relationship". "My system" (personal freedom and liberty) worked for the US for 150 years before social security, welfare, medicaid, and medicare. It is only after the whole hearted implementaton of these entitlement programs that the US has engaged in a precipitous slide. Socialism has made the nation weaker, not stronger.

One has to only examine the plight of the poor since the democrats have intiated programs to "help them". What has happened? More poor have been created and dependent further on the same democratic handlers who pretend to help them.

Hoodwinked and bamboozled, young one? I am 50 years old and have a net worth slightly over 20 million. I was a dirt poor kid, worked hard, believed in the system, and it worked for me. I am living proof that your "beliefs" are outright lies. There is no other nation in the world in which such things can happen. Socialism is a system which provides a rationalization for failure to the losers of society such that they do not have to blame themselves for thier lot in life. Evil capitalism and industry is "responsible" for you failure- it is not due to your own lack of personal initiative.

Regarding "global issues".................... who cares? We, as a nation, should only be concerned about THE UNITED STATES. We are not the bread basket or policeman for the world. WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PLIGHT OF OTHERS AS INDIVIDUALS. Liberals fail miserably in that regard, as they contribute little to charities that actually help the poor of the world with THE OPPORTUNITY to rise above poverty through education. Libs really believe that the government should do these things and will not contribute one dime from thier own pockets for the poor.
It's always surprising that the internet has so many examples of rags to riches, yet so few exist in the real world (as compared to the general population). It does make one think...
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Old 04-24-2011, 07:45 AM
 
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It's always surprising that the internet has so many examples of rags to riches, yet so few exist in the real world (as compared to the general population). It does make one think...

.......................... suggestions of an internet fraud. Sorry- in may case it is quite real. If it makes you feel any better, I am 50 years old and forty pounds overweight. I can't hit a golf ball nearly as far as I used to and have bad knees, so I can't run anymore. It is shocking to me that people just cannot conceive that people have actually worked hard, studies hard, and have succeeded. It was not easy, but quite possible for anyone.

In my neighborhood, given where we live, everyone is very well to do. However, MOST are self made men who worked hard and built their own companies. I cannot think of a single "trust fund baby" in our community. The guy across the street is worth $200-$300 million from a paving company he built. The guy next door is worth $40 million from meat processing and farming. The other guy next door is one of the higher ups at Wells Fargo who worked his way up the ranks.

The neighborhood is full of self made men. I see it everyday and live it everyday, so it is commonplace and the norm to me. That is why I am shocked at all the failures who have convinced themselves that the game is
"rigged" and that they can never advance themselves in life. Amazing.
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:30 AM
 
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.......................... suggestions of an internet fraud. Sorry- in may case it is quite real. If it makes you feel any better, I am 50 years old and forty pounds overweight. I can't hit a golf ball nearly as far as I used to and have bad knees, so I can't run anymore. It is shocking to me that people just cannot conceive that people have actually worked hard, studies hard, and have succeeded. It was not easy, but quite possible for anyone.

In my neighborhood, given where we live, everyone is very well to do. However, MOST are self made men who worked hard and built their own companies. I cannot think of a single "trust fund baby" in our community. The guy across the street is worth $200-$300 million from a paving company he built. The guy next door is worth $40 million from meat processing and farming. The other guy next door is one of the higher ups at Wells Fargo who worked his way up the ranks.

The neighborhood is full of self made men. I see it everyday and live it everyday, so it is commonplace and the norm to me. That is why I am shocked at all the failures who have convinced themselves that the game is
"rigged" and that they can never advance themselves in life. Amazing.
Wow, congrats, you literally live in a the neighborhood with the highest concentration of statistical anomalies in the US... all from poverty to multi millions.

Your health doesn't make me feel any better. Nor does your "wealth" (or lack of...whatever the true case may be).

I find it funny that it's usually always the same argument. Even if your story is true, you do realize that exceptionalness is not normality. That possibly, actually most likely (given your age) the same opportunities are were given to you are not afforded to the poorest of the poor today.

I just think that people can work hard and become quite successful. However, it's far from the norm that this occurs in the inner city of Appalachia currently. This is due because of widening perception of what reality is and the whole boots straps ideology. The boots straps of the 1950s occurred when there was cheap housing, cheap colleges, cheaper healthcare, and rising wages for the middle class. That ended by the 1980s. That 30 year stagnation has left a widening opportunity gap. So even those people that are hard workers cannot afford college, healthcare, and decent housing in areas with good schools.

In the 1950s minorities were not allowed those opportunities that made you supposedly wealthy. The 1960s and 1970s were decades that were trying to eliminate the gap of the last few centuries in the US...only to have reversed by the 1980s. Meanwhile poor Whites in the 1950s and 1960s had better opportunities than poor Blacks. They, on the whole, went to better schools. They had more of a chance to "make it". Once "out" they were more likely to be hired simply because of prejudices that exist in hiring.

Best case scenario, I really think that you do not understand social history of this nation and what benefits you were awarded. Worst case scenario you are making up your status in order to push an agenda that you wholeheartedly aspire towards.
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