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Old 04-24-2011, 11:31 PM
 
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To those who are generally anti-union,if any country needs unions it's Chinese workers right?

Wages, conditions improve as workers in China form unions - USATODAY.com
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:18 AM
 
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Is there really a non union way for these workers to deal with this?




YouTube - In China, Workers Detail Health Effects of Producing i-Phones
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Thumb of Michigan
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Watch out: heads on P & OC are going to explode!
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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American unions for public workers -- like teachers unions -- are the worst enemy.

American unions for private workers are a severe problem. I don't think they should be illegal, I just think they are granted too many "special rights" at the federal level that the rest of us don't get to enjoy. NLRB and Boeing right now is a prime example.

Foreign unions, public or private, are GREAT. They make our labor far more competitive. I support Chinese unionization, especially for their most skilled workers. That would help bring those jobs back to the United States by reducing the profitability of global labor arbitrage.
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:28 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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IWW Forever!!
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Great Falls, Montana
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To those who are generally anti-union,if any country needs unions it's Chinese workers right?

Wages, conditions improve as workers in China form unions - USATODAY.com
Well .. we pretty much offshored everything else .. so why not the Union Concept?

Good for them .. now the communists are going to find out just how underhanded they haven't been about things all of these years ..
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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American unions for public workers -- like teachers unions -- are the worst enemy.

American unions for private workers are a severe problem. I don't think they should be illegal, I just think they are granted too many "special rights" at the federal level that the rest of us don't get to enjoy. NLRB and Boeing right now is a prime example.

Foreign unions, public or private, are GREAT. They make our labor far more competitive. I support Chinese unionization, especially for their most skilled workers. That would help bring those jobs back to the United States.
Pal, before there were private sector unions, workers were routinely exploited. It was the introduction of unions that brought safety, child labor, fair wage and humane working conditions to the workplace. Am I missing anything? Oh yeah, they gave us the weekend and the middle class.

We really don't need reactionaries putting back 150 years to a time when the country had the uber-rich and everyone else.
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:42 AM
 
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Pal, before there were private sector unions, workers were routinely exploited.

It was the introduction of unions that brought safety, child labor, fair wage and humane working conditions to the workplace. Am I missing anything? Oh yeah, they gave us the weekend and the middle class.
unions have existed in some form, since the european guilds after the fall of the roman empire.

i could tell you stories about my great great grandfather who was a tobacco farmer, his story would also be historical and irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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We really don't need reactionaries putting back 150 years to a time when the country had the uber-rich and everyone else.
unfortunately, "pal", unions don't support the interests of the bulk of working men and women of America anymore. They make up about 7% of all private sector workers, and as I understand it they have a rather hostile attitude towards young workers trying to enter the labor force. Private sector unions are supported primarily by a small fraction of manufacturing workers and retirees between ages 40 and 80.

Older union workers, enjoy your generous retirements, because y'all's greed poisoned the well for the next generation of unionized manufacturing workers.

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Old 04-25-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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These people are ONLY concerned with profit uninhibited by ANY morals, justice or law. Making as much money is the shortest time is the ONLY consideration. They simply worship money and greed.

They are not amenable to argument because their obsession is religious.
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Old 04-25-2011, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Isn't the Chinese government the biggest union in the country?
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