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Old 04-26-2011, 11:22 PM
 
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The National Labor Relations Act 1935.

Not in the Constitution and like I said, "overreach"
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:23 PM
 
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You are not really expecting any of them to take the time and actually learn before spewing are you?
I may be an eternal optimist, but I am not a fool.
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:30 PM
 
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Disallowing card check preserves the secret ballot it does not prevent a vote to unionize. Why would unions need to know who voted against them...think on that one a bit. Thuggary perhaps?
Allowing or disallowing card checks isn't the issue at debate here but rather whether or not a state has a right to void federal law. If you want to start a thread about card check vs secret ballot, please feel free to start another thread.

One point however, thuggery is not the sole providence of unions.
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:31 PM
 
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Not in the Constitution and like I said, "overreach"
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

You Repubs bought yourselves a 5 to 4 Supreme Court and now want to undo hundreds of years of established law.

You are Fascists.
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:35 PM
 
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Not in the Constitution and like I said, "overreach"
Being an eternal optimist, I had hope that the task wasn't going to be too difficult but apparently it was. So sad.
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:39 PM
 
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Allowing or disallowing card checks isn't the issue at debate here but rather whether or not a state has a right to void federal law. If you want to start a thread about card check vs secret ballot, please feel free to start another thread.

One point however, thuggery is not the sole providence of unions.


Do you oppose secret ballot?
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:47 PM
 
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See Article VI, Clause 2

Then go down to;

Article I Section 8 - Powers of Congres

Specifically

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

And when you finished with that wander over to;

The National Labor Relations Act 1935.

I know this is a lot to ask, but give it a try. With enough work you might figure it out.
You sure do come off acting like you know how the court will rule on this. Any particular reason you put yourself in such a precarious position?
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:50 PM
 
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............One point however, thuggery is not the sole providence of unions.
Correct, this administration uses it too.

I must have missed it. When was card check passed into federal law? Link to bill passage please.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...ard_check.html

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NLRB's actions are a naked attempt to protect Big Labor's favorite organizing tool -- card check -- which also is a key component of the widely unpopular and job-killing Employee Free Choice Act. Under a card check scheme, rather than voting by secret ballot, workers are forced to "choose" whether or not to join the union by signing or not signing a card in front of a union organizer and co-workers that support the union. Courts have said federal law favors secret ballot elections, but permits card check where an employer and union agree to one.
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:58 PM
 
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Do you oppose secret ballot?
Do I oppose the secret ballot... not in principle but neither do I oppose the right of workers to simply present documentation that the majority of workers wish to exercise their right to join together for the purposes of collective bargaining.

Now if you are a big advocate of secret elections then streamline the period between the presentation majority interest and the election, let's say 30 days instead allowing companies to delay such votes for period extending as much as 2 years during which all sorts of "thuggery" seem to take place.
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Old 04-27-2011, 01:42 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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Disallowing card check preserves the secret ballot it does not prevent a vote to unionize. Why would unions need to know who voted against them...think on that one a bit. Thuggary perhaps?
That's exactly why.

Vote against the union and see if your tires aren't slit and your car key-striped to look like an Impressionist painting by Monet.

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Not in the Constitution and like I said, "overreach"
It's only law because unions used their money to bribe legislators for support.
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