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View Poll Results: How do you feel now that Obama has released his long form birth certificate?
I WAS and birther, I am convinced and I am ready to move on. 4 2.22%
I am still a birther and will just look for something new to complain about. 6 3.33%
I was never really a birther but I will continue to aggitate because it is fun to watch. 16 8.89%
I was not a birther and I was already convinced. 154 85.56%
Voters: 180. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-28-2011, 11:32 PM
 
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It might make sense if someone or many someones were tired of hiding the truth.

Again this requires a step (optimization) that cannot be proved was taken.

I would but I do not have Illustrator.
You can download a free trial of Illustrator here.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:34 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Just because people are found guilty on false or lacking evidence, or someone questions the government, doesn't mean some vast conspiracy theory exists over Obama's birth. There are actual factual documents, state certified documents, verified as valid by officials, and verified by other sources as well (factcheck, etc) you know actual evidence, against made up stuff with zero evidence that come from conspiracy theorists as well as racists.

Why would someone choose to be involved in some massive conspiracy and coverup for a political opponent when they would have a good chance at becoming Vice President?? There is simply no sense to the doubters, the evidence is as strong as it could possibly be.
If this was only known by a few this would be no conspiracy either but because so many are aware of it it has become so. Did the OJ trial become a conspiracy? I guess like all conspiracies, it depends on your perspective.

I hope you do not think that I am trying to change your way of thinking, I am only trying to explain mine and I see no reason why two people can't be understanding of this.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:37 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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You can download a free trial of Illustrator here.
Cool, thanks, I will do that tomorrow as it is getting late.

Can someone please tell me why I would need to optimize the PDF in order for this to work, a step that no one can prove was done to the .gov PDF BC.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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If this was only known by a few this would be no conspiracy either but because so many are aware of it it has become so. Did the OJ trial become a conspiracy? I guess like all conspiracies, it depends on your perspective.

I hope you do not think that I am trying to change your way of thinking, I am only trying to explain mine and I see no reason why two people can't be understanding of this.
There is no conspiracy, the facts show otherwise. Just because racists and a bunch of other conspiracy folk start up websites with no factual info and send out a bunch of chain e-mails. Just because some people believe this crap, doesn't mean a conspiracy actual exists. The facts show otherwise.

And no I don't think the OJ case was some conspiracy. It was a case about a guy who killed his wife and got off due to a combination of being rich and racist police officers involved in the case.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:45 PM
 
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Did the OJ trial become a conspiracy? I guess like all conspiracies, it depends on your perspective.
there was no conspiracy in the trial ( unless you believe judge ito and the jury were involved ) and the murders would only be a conspiracy if someone worked with oj to commit the crimes.

most of the birther story lines would take dozens ( if not hundreds ) of people actively involved in the conspiracy.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:54 PM
 
Location: FL
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The newspapers got the info directly from the Dept of Health, who got their info directly from the Hospital. So did someone manufacture a birth in a Hospital 50 years ago so Obama could run for President in the year 2008?
That must be it. They knew as soon as he was born that he was going to be president. Now we know why the doctor that delivered him died. They had this whole thing set up since his birth.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:54 PM
 
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there was no conspiracy in the trial ( unless you believe judge ito and the jury were involved ) and the murders would only be a conspiracy if someone worked with oj to commit the crimes.

most of the birther story lines would take dozens ( if not hundreds ) of people actively involved in the conspiracy.
Yes, and anyone having real information about the conspiracy could use it to become a very wealthy person, not to mention very few people are any good at keeping secrets. For this type of large scale conspiracy to be going on for years is just not realistic.
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:55 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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there was no conspiracy in the trial ( unless you believe judge ito and the jury were involved ) and the murders would only be a conspiracy if someone worked with oj to commit the crimes.

most of the birther story lines would take dozens ( if not hundreds ) of people actively involved in the conspiracy.
You all might want to google OJ's conspiracy. Here, I did it for you.

http://www.google.com/search?q=oj+co...ient=firefox-a
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:55 PM
 
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You must not remember that this happened and I wonder why.

Key witness in passport fraud case fatally shot
Leiutenant Quarles Harris, Jr passport thefts weren't related to the presidential candidates.

Barackryphal: Birther Mythbusting: Leiutenant Quarles Harris Jr. & Passport Crimes
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Old 04-28-2011, 11:57 PM
 
Location: FL
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Microfiche is an after-fact, meaning it is a copy of the paper after the paper was printed. Someone could have called them to make an announcement in the paper before the microfiche was ever made.
Yes, somehow they knew he was going to be president so they had to cover all the bases. You are on to something...
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