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Old 05-14-2014, 12:46 AM
 
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I went to boarding school in CT. Something I've noticed in the Northeast is the enormous competitiveness of the students on college acceptances. It's ingrained in the culture there. Nowhere, even the West (including liberal states) has this same culture. I'm curious to know when and how it started for the Northeast.
Academia is something we brought over from Europe and Asia way before we formed a nation. It's a core foundation of this nation. Most founding fathers attended these northeastern competitive schools, as did most presidents, and academia is referenced in the constitution.

It's not about being part of the culture in the Northeast. It's about being part of the American culture. The south, midwest, etc... have lost American culture in comparison.
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Old 05-14-2014, 12:50 AM
 
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This does emulate my own family's experience in many ways. My father came from a family who actually discouraged him to go to college but he saw education as the path to success. My mother - she's blue blood material so she was always that way. Interestingly enough, even after my father's success, my cousins on that side of the family still eschew education as the path to success. Obviously, my own father's experience and success with education led to my own attitude about education and is leading to my own daughter's attitude as well. Interesting how quickly it can change though if people simply realize that embracing education is indeed a pathway to success.
This mimics my ancestors all the way back to the mayflower. However, I can say that I somewhat break the mold as I achieved success before finishing college. College, at first, was just a notch on the belt for me. It did lead me to fall in love with education... but that had to do with knowledge rather than success.
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Old 05-14-2014, 12:54 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Interesting how quickly it can change though if people simply realize that embracing education is indeed a pathway to success.


Nashville's economy is a prime example. Williamson County would fit in well, in the Gold Coast (Southern Ct). If you have ever seen the movie "Nashville", just a few decades ago, this city itself was in horrible shape. We have urban neighborhoods now adding upscale housing which 25 years back were mainly either empty streets, or adult entertainment districts. Regions can improve!
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Old 05-14-2014, 12:56 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Academia is something we brought over from Europe and Asia way before we formed a nation. It's a core foundation of this nation. Most founding fathers attended these northeastern competitive schools, as did most presidents, and academia is referenced in the constitution.

It's not about being part of the culture in the Northeast. It's about being part of the American culture. The south, midwest, etc... have lost American culture in comparison.
No, I think there is something unique in the culture in the Northeast when it comes to education, especially higher education. The South was populated by those same people from Europe and yet does not have this same cultural attitude (although we did not get the large number of Puritans like the North). The West makes sense to me in some ways because it was first populated with pioneers, people simply looking for their piece of land to scratch out a living.

I suspect this is too large an issue to discuss on this thread but I have my suspicions that the South's over reliance upon the agrarian model was to blame in many ways.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:02 AM
 
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I suspect this is too large an issue to discuss on this thread but I have my suspicions that the South's over reliance upon the agrarian model was to blame in many ways.
, and the industries of 30-50 years ago, textiles, was just the next wave of agrarian (win based on being "cheap").
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Meggett, SC
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Nashville's economy is a prime example. Williamson County would fit in well, in the Gold Coast (Southern Ct). If you have ever seen the movie "Nashville", just a few decades ago, this city itself was in horrible shape. We have urban neighborhoods now adding upscale housing which 25 years back were mainly either empty streets, or adult entertainment districts. Regions can improve!
I've seen this in many Southern cities even here in my own area. Savannah, back in the 1970s, was a place to avoid at all costs. Now it enjoys a thriving economy and a restored downtown. Charleston was a bit unique in that it always believed in preservation from the start but it certainly overcame a lot to become the place it is today. After the shipyard closing, the leaders realized reliance upon one industry was a bad model and worked to diversify the industry. It's been quite successful.

We do have some who have not enjoyed the same success, namely places like New Orleans and Memphis. New Orleans was a mess even before Katrina. The hurricane simply made a bad situation worse.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:07 AM
 
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Nashville's economy is a prime example. Williamson County would fit in well, in the Gold Coast (Southern Ct). If you have ever seen the movie "Nashville", just a few decades ago, this city itself was in horrible shape. We have urban neighborhoods now adding upscale housing which 25 years back were mainly either empty streets, or adult entertainment districts. Regions can improve!
The same could be said about Time Square, Atlanta, parts of Columbus, etc. It's happening all over the place.. it's fairly recursive.
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Old 05-14-2014, 01:17 AM
 
Location: NJ
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I've seen this in many Southern cities even here in my own area. Savannah, back in the 1970s, was a place to avoid at all costs. Now it enjoys a thriving economy and a restored downtown. Charleston was a bit unique in that it always believed in preservation from the start but it certainly overcame a lot to become the place it is today. After the shipyard closing, the leaders realized reliance upon one industry was a bad model and worked to diversify the industry. It's been quite successful.

We do have some who have not enjoyed the same success, namely places like New Orleans and Memphis. New Orleans was a mess even before Katrina. The hurricane simply made a bad situation worse.

Funny story to end the night on: When I first visited Nashville in 1996, my ex brother-in-law who lived here with his family than took me to the Honky Tonks downtown. I could not figure out why music venues were downstairs that would look more like basement stairs in the northeast as would be used for storage/refrigeration , etc (not like a music venue as I'd think of it). I realize now thoser venues simply worked with the building construction as it was, and for the ex adult venues they inhabited the buildings of , those were stairs down to the peep show booths, in all liklihood.

Have a good night!
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Old 05-14-2014, 05:43 AM
 
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It's interesting how you represent your opinions as facts. You can do an analysis of the blue states and find that the wealthiest counties with least welfare handouts are blue counties.

What you're missing, however, is that this is not a republican vs blue thing. Southern republicans are horrible at running their states... so much that a large percentage of their infrastructure, people, and businesses rely on government welfare to function. You don't see this with norther republicans. Mitt Romney, for example, did not run a crap hole like you see in the South.
They are facts.

What marital group is most likely to be on government assistance? Single mothers. They vote over 2/3rds blue.

What education group is most likely to be on government assistance? High School Drop outs. They vote 2/3rds blue.

What races are most likely to be on government assistance? Blacks - vote over 90% blue. Native Americans - vote majority blue.

What income groups are most likely to be on government assistance? Lower income. They vote blue.

What age group is most likely to be on government assistance? The youth. They vote blue.

Which of these facts do you dispute? Factually, blue voter demographics are far more likely to be on assistance.



Pick just about any state... and look at the counties with more people on welfare, food stamps, etc...the more likely it is to vote blue.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...amps.html?_r=0

Counties in America with the most food stamp use:

#1 Wade Hampton, Alaska Over 70% for Obama
#2 Owsley, Kentucky 70% Romney
#3 Shannon, South Dakota 93% for Obama
#4 Pemiscot, Missouri 56% for Romney (in line with state average)
#5 Todd, South Dakota 79% Obama
#6 Sioux North Dakota 79% Obama
#7 Dunklin, Missouri 65% Romney
#8 East Carroll, Louisiana 66% Obama
#9 Humphreys, Mississippi 76% Obama
#10 Wolfe, Kentucky 60% Romney (in line with state average)
#11 Perry, Alabama 78% Obama
#12 Phillips, Arkansas 65% Obama
#13 Rollette, South Dakota 74% Obama
#14 Ripley, Missouri 71% Romney
#15 Ziebach, South Dakota 58% Obama
#16 Mississippi, Missouri 61% Romney
#17 Sharkey, Mississippi 70% Obama
#18 Wilcox, Alabama 74% Obama
#19 Zavala, Texas 83% Obama
#20 New Madrid, Missouri 59% Romney


Romney won 77.6% of all counties nationwide...

Yet Obama won 65% of the top 20 food stamp counties...


If you do not understand that blue voters are on average more likely to be on welfare, food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc...then you are admitting that you don't understand how the world works.

Why do you think Obama is constantly harping on the rich needing to pay their fair share, lying about fireman paying a higher effective rate than Mitt Romney, talking about expanding the social safety net, etc... Because the Democratic base has as one of its core constituencies the group of people on welfare, food stamps, SSDI, unemployment, etc...

Why did Democrats demonize Governor Snyder for saying that able bodied people can't be on unemployment benefits for over 4 years total with a few exceptions...because able bodied people on unemployment benefits for over 4 years tend to be Democrats.

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Old 05-14-2014, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Wyoming, on the other hand, has about 600K people. total.

And almost 99 thousands square miles. Larger than Utah. Yet, Wyoming has the least state debt of all states per capita. And New York, the most.

And Wyoming's revenue PER CAPITA is right about the middle.

And the federal government owns 42% of Wyoming.

Seriously, I don't think anyone has a point in Red states being "welfare" states. Quite the opposite, they seem to be well run and responsible with their own money.

And you don't get "redder" than Wyoming.
Wyoming has vast oil and gas resources. Depletion taxes make it very easy for them to be responsible with their debts.
In addition, with so much federal lands inside the state, the Wyoming state government doesn't have to budget for the maintenance of those lands. That's a federal cost.

Even so, Wyoming is not the socialist welfare state Alaska is. They use their depletion income to pay their teachers a much better wage, take care of their mentally ill, and put more money into state infrastructure instead of doling out handouts to the citizenry.
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