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Old 04-26-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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IF someone is a part of the majority and already has a right, how can they really vote on something in a REAL way, when an issue doesn't impact them and only impacts a minority group. Are most people able to have enough empathy to put themselves in someone else's shoes before they vote? Are straight people able to vote on something coming from the perspective of what the issue means to a gay person.

This is the very reason why it's unconstitutional to vote on these matters. If the public gets to vote on a minorities rights, they have NOTHING to lose, ONLY the minority group does.

Also, it send the message that rights don't come from the constitution they come from if a group of superiors 'allows' me to have them. Just the very process of the vote means that the minority group is inferior, because they have to ask their lords and masters for permission.
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Old 04-26-2011, 12:37 PM
 
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This is like the 100th gay vs straight topic this year so far
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Old 04-26-2011, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Yeah, so long as the minority in question is the top 1% with most of the wealth.
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Old 04-26-2011, 12:38 PM
 
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Absolutely. Civil rights are only for the majority or the particular classification of the people in power.
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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IF someone is a part of the majority and already has a right...
Please tell me what a "right" is. Can you hold one in your hand? If you "have" one (assuming such things can be had), is it yours in perpetuity...or can it be taken away?
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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Also, it send the message that rights don't come from the constitution they come from if a group of superiors 'allows' me to have them.
Welcome to the real world, where you must remain vigilant about fighting for your rights.

The challenge here for minority groups of any type, is convincing the majority that your interests intersect with their own.

However, the devil is in the details. It seems to me like many of these new and proposed "rights" for various minority groups involve someone on the other side of the discussion that must sacrifice to provide that right. Either that, or most Americans don't know the difference between a right and a privilege. We grow so accustomed to certain privileges that we begin to speak of them as if the government ought to guarantee them for us.
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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Yes.
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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IF someone is a part of the majority and already has a right, how can they really vote on something in a REAL way, when an issue doesn't impact them and only impacts a minority group. Are most people able to have enough empathy to put themselves in someone else's shoes before they vote? Are straight people able to vote on something coming from the perspective of what the issue means to a gay person.

This is the very reason why it's unconstitutional to vote on these matters. If the public gets to vote on a minorities rights, they have NOTHING to lose, ONLY the minority group does.

Also, it send the message that rights don't come from the constitution they come from if a group of superiors 'allows' me to have them. Just the very process of the vote means that the minority group is inferior, because they have to ask their lords and masters for permission.
You're confusing a right and a privilege. Let's use an analogy. Let's assume 14-year-olds want to drive. Should anyone older than 14 be able to vote on that issue?
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This thread fails...epically.
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Old 04-26-2011, 01:27 PM
 
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You're confusing a right and a privilege. Let's use an analogy. Let's assume 14-year-olds want to drive. Should anyone older than 14 be able to vote on that issue?
A privilege (or a benefit or a protection or a responsibility), granted by civil law, is a civil right.
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