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Old 04-28-2011, 02:41 PM
 
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During his time in the Soviet Union, Koch came to despise communism and Josef Stalin's regime,[5][4] writing in his 1960 book, A Business Man Looks at Communism, that he found the Soviet Union to be "a land of hunger, misery, and terror."[15].
During his time in the Soviet Union, he toured the countryside with his handler Jerome Liv****z. Liv****z gave Fred Koch what he would call a "liberal education in Communist techniques and methods" and Koch grew persuaded that the Soviet threat needed to be countered in America.[9]
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Old 04-28-2011, 02:44 PM
 
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People don't speak Russian because they don't want to learn new languages.
There's no other reason.
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Old 04-28-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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A conservative Democrat, he was active in numerous civic organizations and maintained a very conservative voting record in Congress. He was known for his staunch opposition to communism and believed in long standing covert efforts by powerful U.S. groups to bring about a socialist world government. He was the second president of the John Birch Society. He was a cousin of General George S. Patton.[1]
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Old 04-28-2011, 02:57 PM
 
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Fred Koch is an "unsung american hero"?? LMAO!! Being a founder of one of the most radical right wing extremists organizations in the nation, that's sure a hero!
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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People don't speak Russian because they don't want to learn new languages.
There's no other reason.
Whoever said that Russian isn't spoken in America has not been in New York City recently. Or in a large number of other American cities.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:03 PM
 
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Fred Koch is an "unsung american hero"?? LMAO!! Being a founder of one of the most radical right wing extremists organizations in the nation, that's sure a hero!
Kinda like an anti-MoveOn guru? Or Code Pink?
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:08 PM
 
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Kinda like an anti-MoveOn guru? Or Code Pink?
Neither of those groups existed in Fred Koch's time.

OTOH, Fred Koch's group did believe that Eisenhower was a Communist.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:08 PM
 
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People don't speak Russian because they don't want to learn new languages.
There's no other reason.
It's not necessarily that easy to learn, not to mention finding places in which to get instruction or mentoring.

I did at one time have a job preparing oil and gas production maps which had to have information in both English and Russian, to be presented in NYC, London and Moscow as an international business prospect. I had three interpreters to provide the necessary info. I learned early to not take a question about one interpretation to a different interpreter, lest I'd be constantly changing the graphic. Not to mention the characteristics of the alphabet itself.

One from Soviet Georgia, one from Azerbaijan and a third from Moscow. Each as completely different from one another as their interpretations.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:12 PM
 
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It's not necessarily that easy to learn, not to mention finding places in which to get instruction or mentoring.

I did at one time have a job preparing oil and gas production maps which had to have information in both English and Russian, to be presented in NYC, London and Moscow as an international business prospect. I had three interpreters to provide the necessary info. I learned early to not take a question about one interpretation to a different interpreter, lest I'd be constantly changing the graphic.

One from Soviet Georgia, one from Azerbaijan and a third from Moscow. Each as completely different from one another as their interpretations.
Russian as taught in schools is reportedly quite different from what you'd hear on the streets of Moscow.
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Old 04-28-2011, 08:25 PM
 
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Koch was a minor player at best as far as having a hand in the demise of the USSR. If you really wanted to give credit to a single individual for that feat, I suppose it would have to go to Ronald Regan, whose astronomical defense budget spending caused the Soviets to try and "keep up with the Joneses", the bankrupting them, which then lead to internal breakdown and social discontent, both of which spawned the collapse of communism and the fragmentation of the Soviet Union. Keep in mind that Russia was merely one country out of the 15 that formed the USSR.

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