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Old 04-29-2011, 02:56 PM
 
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You're a barbarian. You just didn't know it.
Barbarians are incapable of knowing such things.
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Old 04-29-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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Which proves that "acting gay" is a matter of CHOICE.
Good point!

And possibly, acting non-gay is a matter of choice.
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Old 04-29-2011, 03:03 PM
 
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Which proves that "acting gay" is a matter of CHOICE.
So is "acting hetero". Your point?
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Old 04-29-2011, 03:26 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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I'm fairly certain both the British Army and Israeli Defense Forces allow gays to serve, and they're both exceptional militaries. Furthermore, there were no incidents of attacks on gay members (at least not for being gay). Anyone who thinks this is a bad idea is stuck in time.
This is just the army. The navy has experienced serious cuts this last couple of years. The "nato" force consisting of british and french aircraft are doing a **** poor job in libya, and people are dying as a consequence. The nato forces in afghanistan are a joke. They are of little to no value to the us.

It isn't that this is all the fault of gays in the military but the simple fact remains the europeans and even the best of the europeans the british don't put much emphasis on their militaries. They may be civilized but they are not a model for our military. Fact is I don't believe the europeans are much of a model for anything anymore. They are decadent and dying.

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......More serious still is a new mood of self-doubt. The invasion of Iraq was controversial and its occupation inglorious; the campaign in Afghanistan is going badly. British commanders have belatedly realised that they have much to learn, or rather relearn, about fighting small wars in distant lands. “We have lost our way,†says one general.

Underlying this malaise is concern about Britain’s relationship with America, its most important ally. Generals worry that the United States is losing confidence in Britain’s military worth. Some Americans have indeed been expressing doubts: policymakers ask whether British leaders are losing the will to fight, soldiers whether their British counterparts are losing the ability to do so. There is talk that Britain is becoming “Europeanisedâ€, more averse to making war and keener on peacekeeping. Britain remains America’s closest and most able ally; its special forces are particularly prized. But one senior official in the former Bush administration says there is “a lot of concern on the US side about whether we are going to have an ally with the capability and willingness to be in the fight with usâ€. He is bemused by the “tyranny of the lawyers†who constrain British military operations and dumbfounded by how “you only see British officers wearing their uniforms when they come to visit Washington, not in London.â€.............

.............These troubles are made worse by a chronic shortage of manpower. On October 1st the trained strength of the British armed forces was 173,270. This is 3.2% below the official requirement, but it understates large gaps in some areas—especially infantry units. Most battalions are 10-20% short of their required numbers; if those deemed unfit to deploy (due to, say, battle injuries) are factored out, they are as much as 42% under strength. So when battalions are preparing for war, they often regroup soldiers from their four scrawny companies into three, and then bolt on a fourth from another unit. To support current operations, the army has cut back training and lowered readiness; instead of having roughly a brigade at high readiness to deal with a crisis, sources say, there is “less than a battle-group†(a 1,500-strong formation).............

..............An acute problem is the large “wastage†of recruits. Last year 38% of those in training either gave up or were thrown out—a bigger share than in the American army. Britain gets by in part thanks to foreigners: Commonwealth citizens (who made up more than 6% of soldiers in 2007)............
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Old 04-29-2011, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Thumbs down From Leathernecks to Devil Dogs, now known as "Girlie-Men."

This is truly a sad day in Marine Corps history.

236 years of proud honorable service to the nation, only to be permanently marred by "girlie-men" experimenting in politically correct social re-engineering. A sad and pathetic day indeed.
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Old 04-29-2011, 04:40 PM
 
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The nato forces in afghanistan are a joke. They are of little to no value to the us.



On behalf of my countrymen, allow me to say this: You're so ****ing welcome.
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Old 04-29-2011, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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This is truly a sad day in Marine Corps history.

236 years of proud honorable service to the nation, only to be permanently marred by "girlie-men" experimenting in politically correct social re-engineering. A sad and pathetic day indeed.
I've met a fair amount of gays and lesbians who are far more masculine and basically bearing all the typical qualities of a servicemember than many straight people. Hell, there are probably gays who are more fit for military service than I am (I'm straight).

To say that homosexuals cannot be good soldiers simply because of their sexual orientation is like saying that blacks can't be good students because of their race.
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Old 04-29-2011, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque, NM
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This is truly a sad day in Marine Corps history.

236 years of proud honorable service to the nation, only to be permanently marred by "girlie-men" experimenting in politically correct social re-engineering. A sad and pathetic day indeed.
You don't think in those 236 years there was a single homosexual marine?
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Old 04-29-2011, 05:07 PM
 
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You don't think in those 236 years there was a single homosexual marine?
But Glitch didn't have to acknowledge that fact, see? They've gone and broke his fantasy about what a Marine is, now.
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Old 04-29-2011, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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To say that homosexuals cannot be good soldiers simply because of their sexual orientation is like saying that blacks can't be good students because of their race.
If they have to advertise that they are homosexual, then they cannot be good soldiers. You do not hear blacks advertising their race when they are in the military. Nor do you hear anyone else advertising their sexual orientation, until now.

The very fact that they feel compelled to broadcast and make public their sexual perversities demonstrates that they are unfit for military service.
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