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I guess nothing happened on 9/11/2001? Prior to that who were we attacking?
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what do u meen?
coz of that u can attack anyone u want??
thers come out on Cnn that the curent war in iraq have nothing to do with that. neither the fraktions in iraq or Sadam had anything to do with that insident. According to Cnn.
I belewe if u shud attack a country for 911 u shud go to Afganistan. ironicly is that we norwegians are in Afganstan. Afganistan have newer put out a treath to Norway..
According to Cnn no on responsible for what they call "bad" part of cuba prison. (they = Cnn) has been put responsebilty or any charge or investigation
(hm yeah ok. building that sentence in english was dificult. hope the meaning comes right out)
No we attacked the country harboring the person and organization behind it (Afghanistan)
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thers come out on Cnn that the curent war in iraq have nothing to do with that. neither the fraktions in iraq or Sadam had anything to do with that insident. According to Cnn.
I belewe if u shud attack a country for 911 u shud go to Afganistan. ironicly is that we norwegians are in Afganstan. Afganistan have newer put out a treath to Norway..
According to Cnn no on responsible for what they call "bad" part of cuba prison. (they = Cnn) has been put responsebilty or any charge or investigation
(hm yeah ok. building that sentence in english was dificult. hope the meaning comes right out)
Don't want to get too far off here, if you care to why not start another thread and expand on that a bit? Seems like so much of Ike's complete warning would still apply today, I think one of the biggest differences now is the huge influence of lobbyists although that doesn't seem to negate much of the warning.
You still have influence from lobbist - that would exist in any segment of business dealing with the government. Since the early 1960s the defence industry (as far as numbers of companies) has shrunk considerably. Big money is only made in big weapons systems and the basis of those systems usually comes from think tanks within the government - the contractor just builds what the government wants. Look at the aerospace industry, Mcdonnell Douglas, Hughes, Grumman, Ryan, Marquardt, Fairchild, Republic, Convair and Martin - all at one time powerhouses with great political influence but now names in history. And with the passing of these companies the so called MIC influence has been easily handled by the defence procurement who have imposed huge restrictions on the remaining companies. Sure, the system isn't perfect and there's been problems, but at least by the 1980s things like an $800.00 hammer are being reported to the general public. If that happened in 1960, it would of been swept under the rug. If the IMC was alive and well we would of never heard about that and other waste.
Not getting off track here, that my point on the whole IMC stigma....
No we attacked the country harboring the person and organization behind it (Afghanistan)
I just said i have no problem usa being in Afganistan. I have tho problem Norwegian being in Afganistan. just read what i write please. other here dosent seem to have problem with my english.
Tho u are now defending ur attac on Iraq buy saying u counter attaced Afganistan. This seems werry weird for me.
I also said that taking out Sadam was an good thing. Tho the reason u did it was wrong. (coz that was Afganistan)
Im am nearly questening the metods and prisoncamps. and frankly im not the only one doing that.
According to Cnn no on responsible for what they call "bad" part of cuba prison. (they = Cnn) has been put responsebilty or any charge or investigation
(hm yeah ok. building that sentence in english was dificult. hope the meaning comes right out)
You seem very focused on Guantanamo Bay. I suppose you missed the fact that there have been many inspections by the Red Cross and other agencies that have found no signs of abuse and have said that conditions there are okay. That has become a popular lightning rod but the truth is that the people there are treated well.
Yeas i am focused on that. This is coz Norway is buging in and makes equipent for ur war..
I belewe Norways stand for fredom and diplomatic solutions are in danger of disaper coz of this. Norway cant say peace and so on one side. and suplay one part of the war on the other.
Yeas when red cross finly got in. questions have been raised a lot in the media first. So the base changed on that. this was one of the best thing ur goverment did. clearing up and make sure that camp tided it self up.
usaly rumors and media got some right and are based on real stuff. tho often seen att worse than it might had been. i know that.
but if its realy true that red cross did se evrything it is now "ok" there. it's surly good. (and yeah ive also seen teories about that what the red cross did se was not the real situation. but i give red cross more credit than that)
but uknow when sumthing like this is direkt on my country ofc im focused on it. like u guys are on things that are direkt on america. dosent matter if its small stuff or big stuff like this.
Tho i can clearly admitt that Norway does lots of wrong. by being in Afganistan f.eks. (hm thats an norwegian shortinging. exampel is that english?)
Tjukkens posts are a great insight as to what the non-USA
has to say about our policies. I suggest we just listen and not
argue with him. I find this stuff interesting.
Hmmmmm........I guess 400,000-900,000 dead Iraqi civilians arent enuff
in a neokkkons mind to be considered "blowing up innocent people" ?
It's more like 60,000-80,000. And much of those deaths are from the terrorists in Iraq. For instance, the homicide bombers.
This also may shock you, but innocent people are killed in wars.
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What are we liberating them from ? Thier jobs, electricity, running water,
thier families ?? From ever expecting to live in an even semi peacable
manner, ever again ??
Do I really have to tell you why? They were liberated from a murderous dictator who killed 500,000+ of his own people (remember the mass graves?), dragged adults out of their houses during the night to be sent to rape and tortue rooms, and Iraqi citizens being fed into grinding machines while still alive.
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Using your own reasoning(??), you would support someone 'liberating'
us from Bu$h, then?
No, because Congress authorized this war. Also, the 1991 cease-fire agreement gave the U.S. the authority to resume military action in Iraq if it was broken (which is was, many times). Unlike Clinton, who sent troops to countries such as Bosnia and Kosovo without Congressional approval.
And don't forget...
The Clinton$... tens of millions of dollars from speeches and advancement of book sales.
Yeas i am focused on that. This is coz Norway is buging in and makes equipent for ur war..
I belewe Norways stand for fredom and diplomatic solutions are in danger of disaper coz of this. Norway cant say peace and so on one side. and suplay one part of the war on the other.
Yeas when red cross finly got in. questions have been raised a lot in the media first. So the base changed on that. this was one of the best thing ur goverment did. clearing up and make sure that camp tided it self up.
usaly rumors and media got some right and are based on real stuff. tho often seen att worse than it might had been. i know that.
but if its realy true that red cross did se evrything it is now "ok" there. it's surly good. (and yeah ive also seen teories about that what the red cross did se was not the real situation. but i give red cross more credit than that)
but uknow when sumthing like this is direkt on my country ofc im focused on it. like u guys are on things that are direkt on america. dosent matter if its small stuff or big stuff like this.
Tho i can clearly admitt that Norway does lots of wrong. by being in Afganistan f.eks. (hm thats an norwegian shortinging. exampel is that english?)
That's a fair response. I think that Norway is safe with stressing diplomatic solutions even though they may be making supplies.
Most people would prefer a diplomatic solution. The difference in tactics comes in when that strategy does not seem to work.
By the way, I have traveled extensively through Norway and love the country.
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