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View Poll Results: In the near future, do you believe the USA will:
Become Islamic like Europe. 2 4.44%
Become more intolerant towards Christians and Jews. 9 20.00%
Adopt Sharia (Islamic) law. 3 6.67%
Create laws to specially protect Islamic folks. 9 20.00%
Eliminate all forms of non-Islamic religions. 1 2.22%
See a French-like surge in violence because of Islamization. 9 20.00%
No, the USA will continue to be what it is, no Islamization. 29 64.44%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-01-2007, 01:59 PM
 
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There is no doubt that Europe have become violent, intolerant, and filled with Muslim aliens who impose thsier beliefs upon European, who are too "Politically Correct" (PC) to do anything about it. The liberal media in Europe silences and intimidates anyone whom they disagree with calling them racists and bigots. And soon because of out of control immigration in Europe, the Western World will soon become the Western-Islamic world.

Is America immune to that? Certainly not. Daily we watch our TVs and see how Muslim extremists are suing people left and right and getting small pieces of Sharia law in place. We now have a Madrassa (an Islamic school) opening up in NYC. We have the University of MI putting foot baths for Muslim students in their university. Some gets charged with a "hate crime" for throwing his OWN Koran in the toilet at Pace University, while we see Bibles and Torahs being burned daily in Islamic and anti-Christian events. And of course, we have Islamic women refuse to show their faces on Driver's License pictures and refusing to sit next to men in trains, buses, schools, airplanes, and etc.

We also have outrages like Somali immigrants who work as cab drivers in St.Paul, MN refusing to transport people who have dogs, who wear Christian crosses, or who have alcohol. We have Muslim workers at K-Mart refusing to touch any pork at the check-out register. We have CAIR and other terror sponsoring organizations sue to remove Christmas trees and Jewish Manoras.

We also have another problem: out of control Immigration. While many associate illegal immigration to Mexico and South America, there is an ever-growing number of Islamists overstaying their visas in the USA and getting greencards through sham marriages to family relatives and loser drug-addict poor Americans. We don't see it, but when we had reports in the end of the year, we saw an ever growing numbers of Islamists coming into the USA.

So will the US become like Eurabia (that is the term used for European Islamization)?? is anyone bothered by it? Why and why not? Will the US ever adopt Sharia Law? So when is this nonsense will stop?? When will Americans wake-up to the Islamization of America? Will PC allow Islamists to continue to infiltrate the USA and try to impose Sharia Law in the US as well??? Will anyone dare to speak up without being afraid of being called a "bigot" or a "racist"?
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I have prepared for the invasion; I purchased the latest Muslim swimsuit just the other day...

http://www.ahiida.com/index.php?a=de...&id=180&page=1

P.S.

I find any person that would want to wear a ninja suite to the beach must have a few screws loose.
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:11 PM
 
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I have prepared for the invasion; I purchased the latest Muslim swimsuit just the other day...

http://www.ahiida.com/index.php?a=de...&id=180&page=1
Ha ha ha..... I cannot believe that even exists!! These people are crazy, man!!

Now, here is a serious article:

Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War
From the desk of Fjordman on Tue, 2006-03-28 22:49

Last year I wrote an article about how Swedish society is disintegrating and is in danger of collapsing, at least in certain areas and regions. The country that gave us Bergman, ABBA and Volvo could become known as the Bosnia of northern Europe. The “Swedish model†would no longer refer to a stable and peaceful state with an advanced economy, but to a Eurabian horror story of utopian multiculturalism, socialist mismanagement and runaway immigration. Some thought I was exaggerating, and that talk of the possibility of a future civil war in Sweden was pure paranoia. Was it?

In a new sociological survey (pdf in Swedish, with brief English introduction) entitled “Vi krigar mot svenskarna†(“We’re waging a war against the Swedesâ€), young immigrants in the troubled city of Malmö have been interviewed about why they are involved in crime. Although it is not stated, most of the immigrant perpetrators are Muslims. In one of the rare instances where the Swedish media actually revealed the truth, the newspaper Aftonbladet reported several years ago that 9 out of 10 of the most criminal ethnic groups in Sweden came from Muslim countries. This must be borne in mind whilst reading the following newspaper article:

Immigrants are “waging war†against Swedes through robbery

The wave of robberies the city of Malmö has witnessed during this past year is part of a “war against the Swedes.†This is the explanation given by young robbers from immigrant backgrounds when questioned about why they only rob native Swedes, in interviews with Petra Åkesson for her thesis in sociology. “I read a report about young robbers in Stockholm and Malmö and wanted to know why they rob other youths. It usually does not involve a lot of money,†she says. She interviewed boys between 15 and 17 years old, both individually and in groups.

Almost 90% of all robberies reported to the police were committed by gangs, not individuals. “When we are in the city and robbing we are waging a war, waging a war against the Swedes.†This argument was repeated several times. “Power for me means that the Swedes shall look at me, lie down on the ground and kiss my feet.†The boys explain, laughingly, that “there is a thrilling sensation in your body when you’re robbing, you feel satisfied and happy, it feels as if you’ve succeeded, it simply feels good.†“It’s so easy to rob Swedes, so easy.†“We rob every single day, as often as we want to, whenever we want to.†The immigrant youth regard the Swedes as stupid and cowardly: “The Swedes don’t do anything, they just give us the stuff. They’re so wimpy.†The young robbers do not plan their crimes: “No, we just see some Swedes that look rich or have nice mobile phones and then we rob them.â€

Why do they hate the Swedes so much? “Well, they hate us,†Petra Ã…kesson reports them as answering. “When a Swede goes shopping, the lady behind the counter gives him the money back into his hand, looks into his eyes and laughs. When we go shopping, she puts the money on the counter and looks the other way.†Åkesson, who is adopted from Sri Lanka and hence does not look like a native Swede, says it was not difficult to get the boys to talk about their crimes. Rather they were bragging about who had committed the most robberies. Malin Ã…kerström,a professor in sociology, sees only one solution to the problem: “Jobs for everybody. If this entails a deregulation of the labor market to create more jobs, then we should do so.â€

It is interesting to note that these Muslim immigrants state quite openly that they are involved in a “war,†and see participation in crime and harassment of the native population as such. This is completely in line with what I have posited before. The number of rape charges in Sweden has quadrupled in just above twenty years. Rape cases involving children under the age of 15 are six times as common today as they were a generation ago. Most other kinds of violent crime have rapidly increased, too. Instability is spreading to most urban and suburban areas. Resident aliens from Algeria, Libya, Morocco and Tunisia dominate the group of rape suspects. Lawyer Ann Christine Hjelm found that 85 per cent of the convicted rapists were born on foreign soil or from foreign parents. The phenomenon is not restricted to Sweden. The number of rapes committed by Muslim immigrants in Western nations is so extremely high that it is difficult to view these rapes as merely random acts of individuals. It resembles warfare. This is happening in most Western European countries, as well as in other non muslim countries such as India. European jails are filling up with Muslims imprisoned for robberies and all kinds of violent crimes, and Muslims bomb European civilians. One can see the mainstream media are struggling to make sense of all of this. That is because they cannot, or do not want to, see the obvious: this is exactly how an invading army would behave: rape, pillage and bombing. If many of the Muslim immigrants see themselves as conquerors in a war, it all makes perfect sense.

Malmö in Sweden, set to become the first Scandinavian city with a Muslim majority within a decade or two, has nine times as many reported robberies per capita as Copenhagen, Denmark. Yet the number one priority for the political class in Sweden during this year’s national election campaign seems to be demonizing neighboring Denmark for “xenophobia†and a “brutal†debate about Muslim immigration. During last years Jihad riots in France, Sweden’s Social Democratic Prime Minister Göran Persson criticised the way the French government handled the unrest in the country. “It feels like a very hard and confrontational approach.†Persson also rejected the idea of more local police as a “first step†in Sweden. “I don’t believe that’s the way we would choose in Sweden. To start sending out signals about strengthening the police is to break with the political line we have chosen to follow,†he said. Meanwhile, as their authorities have largely abandoned their third largest city to creeping anarchy, there is open talk among the native Swedes still remaining in Malmö of forming vigilante groups armed with baseball bats out of concern for their children’s safety. As I argued in another essay: If Arnold Schwarzenegger fails to get re-elected as Governor of California he may like to do a sequel to “Conan the Barbarian.†He could shoot it in Malmö. He will get the extras for free.

What happened to the famous Swedish nanny state, you say? Don’t Swedes pay the highest tax rates in the world? Yes, they do. But tens of billions of kroner, some say several hundred billions, are being spent every year on propping up rapidly growing communities of Muslim immigrants. Sweden has become the entire world’s welfare office, because the political elites have decided that massive Muslim immigration is “good for the economy.†Soon Sweden’s “army†may comprise no more than 5,000 men, five thousand troops to defend a nation more than three times the area of England. Moreover, it may take up to a year to assemble all of them, provided they are not on peacekeeping missions abroad. That Sweden might soon need a little peacekeeping at home seems to escape the establishment. In 2006 the celebrated Swedish welfare state has become the world’s largest pyramid scheme, an Enron with a national flag.

Although Sweden is an extreme example, similar stories could be told about much of Western Europe. As Mark Steyn points out, the Jihad in the streets of France looked like the early skirmishes of an impending Eurabian civil war, brought on by massive Muslim immigration and Multicultural stupidity. Law and order is slowly breaking down in major and even minor cities across the European continent, and the streets are ruled by aggressive gangs of Muslim youngsters. At the same time, Europeans are paying some of the highest taxes in the world. We should remind our authorities that the most important task of the state – some would even claim it should be the only task of the state – is to uphold the rule of law in exchange for taxation. Since it is becoming pretty obvious that this is no longer the case in Eurabia, we should question whether these taxes are still legitimate, or whether they are simply disguised Jizya paid in the form of welfare to Muslims and our new Eurocrat aristocracy. Although not exactly the Boston Tea Party, perhaps the time has now come for a pan-European tax rebellion: We will no longer pay taxes until our authorities restore law and order and close the borders to Muslim immigration.

This is urgent. When enough people feel that the system is no longer working and that the social contract has been breached, the entire fabric of democratic society could unravel. What happens when the welfare state system breaks down, and there is no longer enough money to “grease†the increasing tensions between immigrants and native Europeans? And what happens when people discover that their own leaders, through the EU networks and the Euro-Arab Dialogue described by Bat Ye’or in her book “Eurabia,†have been encouraging all these Muslims to settle here in the first place? There will be massive unemployment, and tens of millions of people will feel angry, scared and humiliated, betrayed by the system, by society and by their own democratic leaders. This is a situation in some ways similar to the Great Depression that led to the rise of the Nazis in the 1930s. Is this where we are heading once again, with fear, rising Fascism and political assassinations? The difference is that the “Jewish threat†in the 1930s was entirely fictional, whereas the “Islamic threat†now is very real. However, it is precisely the trauma caused by the events of 70 years ago that is clouding our judgement this time, since any talk at all about the threat posed by Muslim immigration or about preserving our own culture is being dismissed as “the same rhetoric as the Nazis used against the Jews.†Europeans have been taught to be so scared of our own shadows that we are incapable of seeing that darkness can come from the outside, too. Maybe Europe will burn again, in part as a belated reaction to the horrors of Auschwitz.


Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War | The Brussels Journal
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:22 PM
 
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Great Post - I hope many Americans get to read that!
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Old 08-01-2007, 02:28 PM
 
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Default In Norway, it is not robberies, but RAPES. How nice! :(

Sunday, February 20, 2005
Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway - Authorities Look the Other Way

(Note: Updates to this post here: The Norwegian Government - Covering Up Immigrant Rapes and here: Rapes: Nothing to do with Islam?)

Numbers released in January 2005 indicate a sharp rise in the number of rape charges in Malmö, Sweden’s third largest city:

Thomas Anderberg, responsible for statistics at the Malmö Police, says there was a doubling of the number of reported rapes by ambush in 2004, following what was already a decade of steadily increasing numbers of sexual crimes. - I think that’s great news, says Anna Gustafsson, head of the Domestic Violence Unit at the Malmö Police. She suggests that the increase is due to the fact that women who otherwise wouldn’t press charges for rape now choose to contact the police.

In other words, Gustafsson claims that we are dealing with a “technical†increase, not a real one. However, national statistics reveal that reported rapes against children have almost doubled in Sweden during the past ten years:

According to Swedish Radio on Tuesday, statistics from Sweden’s National Council for Crime Prevention show that the number of reported rapes against children is on the rise. The figures have nearly doubled in the last ten years: 467 rapes against children under the age of 15 were reported in 2004 compared with 258 in 1995. Legal proceedings continue this week in a case involving a 13 year old girl from Motala who was said to have been subjected to a group rape by four men. (Note: These four men were Kurdish Muslims, who raped the girl for hours and even took photos of doing so)

The number of rape charges per capita in Malmö is 5 – 6 times that of Copenhagen, Denmark. Copenhagen is a larger city, but the percentage of immigrants is much lower. And it’s not just the rape statistics that reveal a scary increase in Malmö or Sweden. Virtually every kind of violent crime is on the rise. Robberies have increased with 50 % in Malmö only during the fall of 2004. Threats against witnesses in Swedish court cases have quadrupled between 2000 and 2003. During the past few decades, massive immigration has changed the face of Sweden’s major cities, as well as challenged the viability of the welfare state. In 1970 Sweden had the fourth highest GDP per capita among developed countries with income about 6% above the OECD average. By 1997 it was at fifteenth place with an average GDP per capita 14% below average. Malmö has a heavy concentration of Muslim immigrants in particular. According to some estimates, it will be a Muslim majority city in no more then 10 years. Crime is rampant in the growing ghettos:

Becirov runs the Islamic Center of Malmö, on the outskirts of Sweden's third-largest city. Some immigrant neighborhoods in the city have (official) unemployment rates exceeding 50 percent. Swedish authorities have failed to lift up the area, and seem to be giving the Islamic Center of Malmö a great deal of leeway in attempting to do so. An article that appeared in 2003 noted that "a few" of the 6-to 10-year-old girls were wearing headscarves. On a visit in January 2005, fully 80 percent were covered in class--only a handful were not. In a fit of absent-mindedness, Sweden has suddenly become as heavily populated by minorities as any country in Europe. The percentage of foreign-born is roughly equivalent to the highest percentage of immigrants the United States ever had in its history (on the eve of World War I). Rosengård appears to be all-immigrant. The public schools have virtually no ethnically Swedish children. There are stories--familiar in other parts of Europe where immigrants from the Muslim world have recently settled--of students harassing Jewish teachers and defacing textbooks that treat Jewish themes. Crime is high.

Is it unfair and “racist†to suggest a link between the influx of Muslim immigrants and the growing number of rapes? Not if we compare with the situation in neighboring Denmark, where this trend has been evident for years:

Criminologist: immigrants are rape champions

If one leading expert is to be believed, the sharp rise in the number of rapes in this over the last 5 years is largely attributable to a group of unemployed and alienated immigrants. 'Over the last 5-10 years there has an increasing tendency to marginalise and alienate immigrants,' says Professor Flemming Balvig, a criminologist at Copenhagen University. 'As a result, many second generation immigrants have reacted against this through various types of criminal activity, including rape.'

Muslim rape concern

Alarmed at last week's police statistics, which revealed that in 68% of all rapes committed this year the perpetrator was from an ethnic minority, leading Muslim organisations have now formed an alliance to fight the ever-growing problem of young second and third-generation immigrants involved in rape cases against young Danish girls.

As Robert Spencer has demonstrated, rape can indeed be linked to Islamic teachings of Jihad, and even to the example of Muhammad himself, his Sunna. Above all, it is connected to Islamic notions of the role of women in society, and their behaviour in the public sphere. An Islamic Mufti in Copenhagen sparked a political outcry after publicly declaring that women who refuse to wear headscarves are "asking for rape." Apparently, he isn’t the only Muslim in Europe to think this way:

The German journalist Udo Ulfkotte told in a recent interview that in Holland, you can now see examples of young, unveiled Moroccan women with a so-called "smiley". It means that the girl gets one side of her face cut up from mouth to ear, serving as a warning to other Muslim girls who should refuse to wear the veil. In the Muslim suburb of Courneuve, France, 77 per cent of the veiled women carry veils reportedly because of fear of being harassed or molested by Islamic moral patrols.

Hijab, the Islamic veil, is thus not â€just a piece of clothâ€. It serves as a demarcation line between proper, submissive Muslim women and whores, un-Islamic women who deserve no respect and are asking for rape. The veil should more properly be viewed as the uniform of a Totalitarian movement, and a signal to attack those outside the movement. Judged in the light of the Mufti who said that women who don’t wear it are asking for rape, how on earth can the veil be said to be about â€choiceâ€? The freedom to choose not to be raped if you dress in a normal fashion in your own country? Is that what freedom is about in Europe in 2005?

Even though Sweden, unlike Denmark, has almost no public debate about immigration, frustration is very much present underneath the surface. 75 % of Swedes think that many people in their country “dislike†Muslims, more than in any other European nation surveyed. Even in Holland, which recently witnessed violent clashes with Muslims after the murder of Islam-critic Theo van Gogh, the rate is lower than in Sweden. But you’re not supposed to talk about such issues in Sweden. That would be “racistâ€:

Swedish laws prohibiting "hate speech" against racial minorities have been vigorously enforced. There have, for example, been a number of gang-rapes of Swedish women by Muslim immigrants. But Swedes must be careful what they say about them. On May 25, neo-Nazi Bjorn Bjorkqvist was convicted and sentenced to two months in prison for writing, "I don’t think I am alone in feeling sick when reading about how Swedish girls are raped by immigrant hordes." ["Jag tror inte jag är ensam om att må dåligt när jag läser om hur svenska tjejer har våldtagits av invandrarhorder"]

All in all, we must say that there is strong circumstantial evidence indicating that the rise in rape charges in the city of Malmö could very well be real, which puts the Malmö Police assertion that this is “great news†in a rather curious light. And the problem is not just limited to Sweden. It exists in Norway, too:

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year. Police Inspector Gunnar Larsen of Oslo's Vice, Robbery and Violent crime division says the statistics are surprising - the rising number of rape cases and the link to ethnic background are both clear trends. But Larsen does not want to speculate on the reasons behind the worrying developments. While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

Europe: Tolerating Intolerance

An incredibly revealing article that tells us all we need to know about the multiculturalist fetish in Europe and some parts of North America, not to mention the need for change within Islam. Apparently, the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet reported that 65 percent of rapes of Norwegian women were performed by "non-Western" immigrants – a category that, in Norway, consists mostly of Muslims. The article quoted a professor of social anthropology at the University of Oslo (note: her name is Unni Wikan) as saying that "Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes" because Muslim men found their manner of dress provocative. The professor's conclusion was not that Muslim men living in the West needed to adjust to Western norms, but the exact opposite: "Norwegian women must realize that we live in a multicultural society and adapt themselves to it."

In January 2005, Norwegian media reported that 2004 saw the highest number or rape charges ever recorded in the capital city of Oslo. Strangely enough, there was now no mentioning of how immigrants were grossly overrepresented in rape cases. Why not? Unless there has been a sudden and unexplained drop in the number of immigrants raping Norwegian women between 2001 and 2004, which is unlikely, the statistics should be at least as staggering in 2005 as they were before. If they are not revealed, it can only mean that “somebody†didn’t like the numbers presented in 2001, and decided to bury them. That “somebody†must be a person at the very top level in the police, maybe even in the government. If so, that is disquieting. What is even more disquieting is that the media are equally silent about this. How come no journalists are digging into the material? And where are all the professional Feminists, in a Scandinavian nation brimming with them?

The conclusion one may draw from this is that the authorities in Sweden and Norway know about, or should know about, a disturbing amount of Muslim immigrant rapes of native Scandinavian women, yet choose not to make this information known to the public. Perhaps it would be just too politically incorrect to reveal the negative effects of decades of naïve immigration policies. Perhaps it would also destroy too many multicultural pipe dreams among the intellectual elites, who have built their current careers and reputations on advocating how culturally and economically enriching this new population mix would be. So in the end, the safety of young Scandinavian women is sacrificed in order to keep the glossy image of a multicultural society intact. It is a chilling demonstration of an Eurabian continent that now appears to care more about not upsetting relations with its immigrant population than about protecting its own citizens.

Fjordman: Muslim Rape Epidemic in Sweden and Norway - Authorities Look the Other Way

What's next? Ethinic cleansing??
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There is no doubt that Europe have become violent, intolerant, and filled with Muslim aliens who impose thsier beliefs upon European, who are too "Politically Correct" (PC) to do anything about it. The liberal media in Europe silences and intimidates anyone whom they disagree with calling them racists and bigots. And soon because of out of control immigration in Europe, the Western World will soon become the Western-Islamic world.
Sure enough Europe has a large population of Muslims, however the description you post is not how it looks here. We mix with Muslims all the time at the markets and at work, in the hospitals, dentists, doctors surgeries, in the law and they are very polite and friendly, don't believe all what you read in the papers, each and every Muslim should be treated according to how you find him/her, just like anyone else, they are after all no different to non Muslims. Muslims are religious, really? Where is the bible belt if not in America?

Lets face it government needs division to control, look down history and witness the attacks on all minorities, so lets give this group or that some bad press, lets wind up the ignorant, frighten the old, give the workers paranoia and on it goes.

Of course the question is, can immigration be sustained at present levels, surprise surprise the immigration that everyone is talking about here in the UK at the moment is the Polish.

The reason the UK government give for encouraging immigration is that our population is ageing and we will not have enough people to look after the aged eventually because of our falling birthrates, curios really because the government has been asking us to reduce the birthrate ever since the 2WW.

It may be encouraging to note that China is in a very similar position vis-a-vis birth because they have encouraged one child families and boys have been preferred, whoops few girls is the result, old are being sidelined with no one to look after them, government is an such an art don't you think?

Isn't the US famous for it's ethnic mix?

The UK is nothing but a mix of foreigners, ever since 1066, no wait a minute it goes back further than that, perhaps someone could enlighten me, when did immigration start in the UK?
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The Islamic people in America are upper niddle class, in Europe they are lower class and poorly educated. Huge difference.
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The people that flew the planes into the WTC were upper middle class. It's not strictly an economic issue.
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Sure enough Europe has a large population of Muslims, however the description you post is not how it looks here. We mix with Muslims all the time at the markets and at work, in the hospitals, dentists, doctors surgeries, in the law and they are very polite and friendly, don't believe all what you read in the papers, each and every Muslim should be treated according to how you find him/her, just like anyone else, they are after all no different to non Muslims. Muslims are religious, really? Where is the bible belt if not in America?

Lets face it government needs division to control, look down history and witness the attacks on all minorities, so lets give this group or that some bad press, lets wind up the ignorant, frighten the old, give the workers paranoia and on it goes.

Of course the question is, can immigration be sustained at present levels, surprise surprise the immigration that everyone is talking about here in the UK at the moment is the Polish.

The reason the UK government give for encouraging immigration is that our population is ageing and we will not have enough people to look after the aged eventually because of our falling birthrates, curios really because the government has been asking us to reduce the birthrate ever since the 2WW.

It may be encouraging to note that China is in a very similar position vis-a-vis birth because they have encouraged one child families and boys have been preferred, whoops few girls is the result, old are being sidelined with no one to look after them, government is an such an art don't you think?

Isn't the US famous for it's ethnic mix?

The UK is nothing but a mix of foreigners, ever since 1066, no wait a minute it goes back further than that, perhaps someone could enlighten me, when did immigration start in the UK?
hmmmm your right we have a large population of muslims but I wouldnt go as far to say that we all mix, highlighted in the media was how muslims didnt feel British because they feel none muslims dont want to know them. Growing up with muslims at school, college then university and knowing many I would say the problem is much bigger than what the government realises it to be I cant believe how segregated muslims are from non muslims, im not pointing fingers of who is to blame in this thread but it is quite bad.

I know many muslims male and female and some I get on with some I dont as there seems to be some sort of boundary especially with many muslim women are afraid to mingle with males especially non muslim males.

The government want to mix up schools more as many are all non muslims schools or all muslim schools which doesnt help with segreagtion and muslims as well as non muslims getting along.

Finally I live where the largest population of muslims are in the UK and again the whole mixing/segregating well there isnt any, there is muslim areas and non muslim areas no mingleing what so ever.

and I would say It will be along time before the situation gets any better.

Going into a muslim areas is definitely a culture shock, as many areas are mostly in urdu such as shops, resturants, mosques etc
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hmmmm your right we have a large population of muslims but I wouldn't go as far to say that we all mix, highlighted in the media was how muslims didnt feel British because they feel none muslims dont want to know them. Growing up with muslims at school, college then university and knowing many I would say the problem is much bigger than what the government realises it to be I cant believe how segregated muslims are from non muslims, im not pointing fingers of who is to blame in this thread but it is quite bad.

I know many muslims male and female and some I get on with some I dont as there seems to be some sort of boundary especially with many muslim women are afraid to mingle with males especially non muslim males.

The government want to mix up schools more as many are all non muslims schools or all muslim schools which doesnt help with segreagtion and muslims as well as non muslims getting along.

Finally I live where the largest population of muslims are in the UK and again the whole mixing/segregating well there isnt any, there is muslim areas and non muslim areas no mingleing what so ever.

and I would say It will be along time before the situation gets any better.

Going into a muslim areas is definitely a culture shock, as many areas are mostly in urdu such as shops, resturants, mosques etc
Anarchy,
I guess you are correct about the area you live in and I can think of several areas that fit the bill, but, some areas and mine is one of them rub along fairly well albeit with your accurate point about "boundary".

Management of the immigration pattern would seem to be the problem from my perspective, better if people could be assimilated evenly across the country rather than condensed as they are (but I can understand why the Muslims chose to congregate).

This sort of mismanagement of an immigration influx has happened before with the Huguenot's and the Jewish peoples later in the 19C, so one must say that the immigration problems since the 2WW were expected, and possibly planned, after all divide and rule has been a necessity during those periods during which our workforce has become capable of exerting influence.

It's true that we are very different cultures, it cannot be denied and the common problem of a language barrier is no help to the situation either. Taking into account the devastating effect we are having invading Muslim countries their distrust and dislike for what we (UK) have done cannot be a surprise to our planners.

I for one had thought the UK was done with warring, after all post 2nd WW we had kept a fairly low profile with anything this scale, Falklands was small by comparison don't you agree?

Unfortunately our government publicly states there is no link between the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and the Palestine troubles and the rise in terrorist crime they claim there is. With such a dogged attitude and not so much as a blink of recognition from 'Our Leaders' of reality the apparent understanding and tolerance shown by Muslims in our country can only be down to their realisation that they can like us whilst disliking our countries policies towards the arabic countries (they having abundant reserves of energy) since before the First WW.

This post is not intended to be a thesis just a reflection.
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