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Old 05-03-2011, 01:37 AM
 
Location: Moose Jaw, in between the Moose's butt and nose.
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Get what you asked for Canada...

More prisons. (Even though there's less crime, time to jail pot smokers)
More military spending.
More debt.
More privatization.
More corporate tax cuts.
More pro-oil lobbying.
Less health care.
Less social security.
Less education spending.
CPP will be up on the chopping block, it's already underfunded atm
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Old 05-03-2011, 02:04 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Don't focus on labels. Both Canadian Liberals and Conservatives are left of US Democrats -and both can be credited with sound fiscal management and lowering the deficit. The NDP -who displaced the Liberals for second place - are further left and would be considered pinko-commies by US standards.


Not that hard to do when you export more crude oil and natural gas to the US than any other nation.

Exports to US statistics - countries compared - NationMaster
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Old 05-03-2011, 05:58 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Don't focus on labels. Both Canadian Liberals and Conservatives are left of US Democrats -and both can be credited with sound fiscal management and lowering the deficit. The NDP -who displaced the Liberals for second place - are further left and would be considered pinko-commies by US standards.
Yes, I know Canadian conservatives are not completely in tune with US conservatives. Who said they had to be? The FACT remains, the Liberals suffered the worst defeat in their history. The voters have had enough of their games and ruinous style of government.

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You do realize that Canadian conservatives have nothing in common with their Republican counterparts. If you think that the majority of Canadians hold positive views of the Republican Party, then perhaps you need to read the sentiments concerning US politics on their news sites. Alas, you forgot to mention that the NDP who gained official opposition status are left of the Liberal Party.
Again, who said they did or had to? There are some similarities...no?

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Disappointed that Harper won, but if he was in the US, he'd be a blue dog democrat or a moderate Republican, so, as so often the case, the OP is trying to mislead again.....
As Canada becomes more like America under a lot of the things that Harper wants to do (treat pot offenses like the US treats them, etc)....that will be Harper's and the Conservatives demise and the NDP should have the majority in 4 years or less.
How so? The conservatives of Canada, no matter in what vein, now have a majority, the liberals have been kicked to the curb and it will be much easier for Harper to enact his agenda.

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Pay attention to what's going on up there then, ok? Harper has done things to the right that no other Premier has done recently, not even Mulroney, who was Reagan's sheep......
He's just doing it, moving the country to the right, in a slower fashion than W did, who did it almost faster than the speed of light in the USA (or at least tried to)....
Mulroney wound up with an approval rating in the teens, by the time his term was up, same thing for Mr. Harper, if he doesn't stop trying to turn Canada into a junior version of America....
It think the VOTERS just determined that is exactly what they want!

Pay attention to what's going on up there, ok? ANOTHER historic election.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/03/wo...er=rss&emc=rss

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OTTAWA — The Conservative Party will again govern Canada, this time with a majority, following the country’s fourth election in seven years.
I imagine the voters were rightly ANGRY the liberals did this...no?

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Most of the New Democrats’ gains came in Quebec, giving the party its first significant presence there since its founding during the Great Depression.
Again, NO surprise here.

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He warned that if he did not win a majority, the government could end up controlled by a coalition of the Liberals, New Democrats and the Bloc Québécois, an alliance he derided as “the socialists and the separatists.”
And it looks like the voters took HEED. They had numerous examples of what can happen under that kind of government and they rightly REJECTED that liberal coalition.

Harper's campaign was centered on lower taxes...no? I'd say that's a good, solid conservative platform.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...dian-vote.html

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May 3 (Bloomberg) -- Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper won a majority of seats in Parliament for the first time, giving his Conservative Party a mandate to secure the economic recovery with additional tax cuts and erase the country’s deficit with curbs on government spending.
Sounds conservative to me. .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/canadian_broadcasting_corp_predicts_at_least_a_con servative_minority_victory/2011/05/02/AFL9NfcF_story.html?wprss=rss_politics (broken link)

Canada’s Conservative PM gets his coveted majority, in crushing defeat for Liberals

This needs to continue happening, here and elsewhere around the world.

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While Harper’s hold on the 308-member Parliament has been tenuous during his five-year tenure, he has managed to nudge an instinctively center-left country to the right. He has gradually lowered sales and corporate taxes, avoided climate change legislation, promoted Arctic sovereignty, upped military spending and extended Canada’s military mission in Afghanistan.
Sounds amazingly similar to US conservatives.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/p...ric-opposition

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"A strong, stable, national Conservative government," he said.
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It is the first time in Canadian history that the Liberal party did not finish either first or second.

The Liberals have never suffered a crushing defeat, either in popular support or seat.
Times are changing. Voters instinctively realize the liberal way of governance, tax, spend and spend even more, doesn't work. They have a great example of those policies on their southern border.

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Old 05-03-2011, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Default Conservatives win BIG in Canada

Gain majority, currency rallies. A good day for Canada!

Canadian dollar rallies on Conservative poll win | Reuters
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Old 05-03-2011, 07:45 AM
 
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At this point, the Canadian govt. may be more conservative than the US.


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The ruling Conservatives secured 54 percent of seats in the G7 country's parliament on Monday, resulting in a majority government which offers Prime Minister Stephen Harper free reign to keep corporate taxes low and a tight grip on public spending.
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Old 05-03-2011, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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In before "they still have universal health care" nonsense.
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Old 05-03-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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My thoughts on the election.

The Liberals collapsed mostly because of an incredibly weak leader in Michael Ignatieff. Negative adds by the Conservative Party portraying him as an American Carpetbagger also were very effective.

The Conservatives have moved to the centre, more than the electorate has moved to the right. The popular vote was 40% for the Conservatives. That means that 60% of the voters did not support them. The biggest gain of the night was for the New Democratic Party, much further to the left than the Liberals.

The Bloc collapsed in Quebec because they have accomplished nothing for that province. The NDP may suffer the same fate in the next election. The Quebecois voters are notoriously fickle.

Finally I believe that the vast majority of Canadians, no matter who they voted for, feel that the Conservatives legitimately won a fair election and they are ready to support Harper until the next election.
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:01 AM
 
Location: state of enlightenment
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Leave it to sanrene to make it sound like a bunch of Rush Limbaugh style right wing crazies just got elected. The Canadian Conservatives are more like American moderate Liberals than Limbaugh Loons. Ya think they're gonna start dismantling the "socialist" health care system any time soon? Or the pot laws? Another case of simple minded labels for simple minds.
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I hope these Conservatives try to dismantle the Canadian health care and start putting pot smokers in jail. Maybe these Western Conservatives would eliminate the dual language system and force all the Québécois to use proper English. Or cut off the subsidies to the Eastern Provinces so all the Newfoundlanders would move to English speaking Quebec. That would really be fun to watch.
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Old 05-03-2011, 09:26 AM
 
Location: state of enlightenment
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Times are changing. Voters instinctively realize the liberal way of governance, tax, spend and spend even more, doesn't work. They have a great example of those policies on their southern border.
What they have on the southern border is an example of right wing extremism bankrupting the country thru military adventurism, tax cuts for the rich, Reagan style deregulation orgies that resulted in the legalized Ponzi schemes that contributed to it's downfall. Hopefully the Canadians will find a more balanced path between development and exploitation.
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