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Old 05-05-2011, 04:53 PM
 
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^^^^I recall Rush Limbaugh insulting Bill Clinton back in the early/mid-1990s. I mean attacking the man as a person not just deconstructing his policies.

I would wager it goes back a bit further for some reason. Cannot quite place it where it happened. I was working too many hours back and prior to then to read/watch much news.
To me, it seems like it started with Karl Rove and the Clinton Administration. That was the first taste of real, dirty politics I witnessed. It seemed like someone was hell-bent to foist the democrats out of the Oval Office and it got personal and dirty.
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Old 05-05-2011, 04:56 PM
 
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To me, it seems like it started with Karl Rove and the Clinton Administration. That was the first taste of real, dirty politics I witnessed. It seemed like someone was hell-bent to foist the democrats out of the Oval Office and it got personal and dirty.
I think you could have something there.... The "King Makers" are getting far to "big for their britches" and they love the power they have to sway the public to their every whim..... gives them a HUGE buzzzzzz.
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:03 PM
 
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The BIGGEST drain on America right now is the greed of huge corporations who feel that "socialism" only applies to them and "fleecing" the Country is their meal ticket to Wealth. The other is the Wars and handouts to foreign despots.
That is vapid!
You are saying the biggest drain would be the people who make stuff, employ people, make a profit which is then taxed through payroll and other ways.

Those are the doers, the people who are government employees and on the dole endlessly are the takers.

Money in through tax payer assets = Companies, corporations, productive individuals and so forth. (private sector)

Money out that are a Liability = Welfare, too generous social programs and the elite of the government employees. (public sector minus the military, police and fire)
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:33 PM
 
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democrats want socialism.
do you actually understand socialism?
yes, everything through the elite government, a step toward communism.
conservatives and some republicans want small functioning government that can pay their bills.
so why was govt not made smaller when the republicans were in office????
because the democrats have been giving away the treasury for the vote for decades and republicans can't compete with the give-away of a plate of hundred dollar bills till the democrats bankrupt us, which they have.
telling people they need to work, be responsible, live with smaller government and only temporary social safety nets (except for permanently disabled) is not disdain for the everyday american unless the everyday american is living on a regular basis on the dole.
giving huge tax cuts and incentives to huge corporations is disdain for the everyday american who pay full taxes with no real incentives.
do you know what a real safety net is? A real safety net makes sure that unfortunate people having a tough time do not fall through the cracks... Oops i forgot it doesn't affect the high earners so "to hell with them there poor folk"..... "i'm alright jack"
all corporations pay tons of taxes through payroll, costs to run the company, business permits and so forth, that argument is a fraud.
safety nets are only supposed to be temporary unless there is a massive handicap, we can not sustain paying for everyone's life, that is ridiculous.
the poor are poor for a reason. Either they have no education, skills or desire to work or maybe are poor communicators. If you have education, skills and desire, there is no way to not get some kind of job and enough to be out of poverty and off of welfare.
our president, the one you thought was the best guy in 2008 has raised our national debt by 50% in just over two years and given most of the supposed stimulus to government unions who helped elect him with $400,000,000 in donations.
so rebuilding the country after probably the worst recession in history was going to be a "free ride?" obama just snaps his fingers and the country heals itself...... Not. To rebuild from the damage caused will cost billions.... Maybe if there had been no recession when obama took office he would have had no need to raises the national debt. Just like many presidents have done before him. He is trying to bring the tax code back to the clinton era when the national debt fell. I suppose banks are unions,,, car industry are unions etc etc? Obama walked into the biggest mess america had ever seen and now the economy is turning around, employment is going up and he is doing a good job.... Fact.
spin spin spin, 50% increase of the national debt in a short time under obama. $5 gas, a disaster with the gulf and a huge disruption of the middle east due to his lack of leadership.
he also gave most of the stimulus to government employees who paid the majority of his finances in the 2008 campaign. He's a hack.
clinton had a temporary upswing in money to the treasury before his crash because of the 1% interest rates in banks which made oldsters all go into the stock market where they lost their retirements.

we are broke, some still don't want to cut government employment, salaries and the social programs.
There is no $$$$$$.
At some point people have to grow up and learn to live within a balanced budget.
balanced for whose benefit? The "fat cats" with their multi million bonuses and tax loopholes or the everyday american who pay all their taxes and do not get bonuses when they do a bad job...like so many do in the financial market and huge corporations.
if it really needs to be explained to you that getting rid of our national debt and balancing a budget is good for the country then you probably don't get the common sense of that either.
the top 1% pay between 50-55% of their income in taxes as 40% of all taxes collected, so they would be the everyday americans who more-than-pay-everyone-else's-taxes on some level.

we have two visions in this nation which is why you see a division.
two views are good unless they are constantly changing to destroy the other party as is seen happening in america today.... I watch often as a "view" changes as soon as the other party adopts it or a "new" view appears once out of office... Amazing how politicians suddenly get "common sense" when not in office but it soon evaporates once elected.
socialism, growing the national debt and everything through the government is poison.
a balanced budget, getting rid of the national debt and less taxes for all is food that feeds our future.
there is no middle ground between poison and food. How much poison is good for america?

one is everything under the government. Socialized medicine (high taxes), tons of government employees (again higher taxes) and many on social programs (again higher taxes and huge deficits).
socialized medicine does not equate to high taxes but does improve the health and wealth of a country.
lie, everyone is seeing their premiums go sky high after obamacare passed. My wife's went from $365 to $700 a month. Our insurance companies apologize but said it was obamacare passing that are causing the costs to go up. (we live in the real world)

how can you earn from taxes when the high earners get a free pass on paying full taxes?
doesn't hold water.
that is a total lie, the wealthy pay most all the payroll taxes, between 50-55% of their income often.
how about we pick one tax rate, have no deductions and we all pay the same percentage of tax on what ever our income is? That is how you get everyone interested in how we spend the tax dollars and caring about how the politicians waste money.
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:41 PM
 
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What you seem to fail to recognize in your post is that the political divisivness is exactly due to one group wanting to return to the country that was once respected around the world, a fiscally responsible country with people depending on themselves and on family primarily and the government rarely.

vs.

That group that wants to fundamentally change this country to something it is was never intended: a European style Socialist democracy of large central government and reduced Constitutionally affirmed liberties, a welfare state.
And the beat goes on....
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:51 PM
 
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What you seem to fail to recognize in your post is that the political divisivness is exactly due to one group wanting to return to the country that was once respected around the world, a fiscally responsible country with people depending on themselves and on family primarily and the government rarely.

vs.

That group that wants to fundamentally change this country to something it is was never intended: a European style Socialist democracy of large central government and reduced Constitutionally affirmed liberties, a welfare state.
Best post on this thread so far IMO.
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Old 05-05-2011, 06:02 PM
 
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That is vapid!
You are saying the biggest drain would be the people who make stuff, employ people, make a profit which is then taxed through payroll and other ways.
Please tell me how many employers in America now actually "make stuff'
I am saying that the biggest drain on the USA are the CEO'S and "Fat Cats" who make NOTHING. They Play with other peoples money. They even bet on themselves doing badly to "make" even more money'.
They take peoples money to protect them against bad health but refuse to pay because their "customers" didn't reveal a rash on their butt when they were 6. or they have a pre condition... they should put on their application forms...'ONLY EXTREMELY HEALTHY YOUNG PEOPLE SHOULD APPLY".
I am talking about the scum of the Earth who sit on their fat behinds while all around them work long hours for little pay and then get million dollar bonuses even if the company fails. The Scum of the Earth who use tax loopholes to avoid paying tax and give overseas workers jobs so that they don't have to pay Americans the going rate. The Scum of the Earth who do NOT want illegal immigration stopped because a illegal will work unearthly hours for buttons and not protest.
These people and others like them, make NOTHING for America and are the reason America is in the dumper right now.

Those are the doers, the people who are government employees and on the dole endlessly are the takers.
The "Doers" are the everyday Americans who still manage to feed their children even though they have to work 2 or 3 jobs and still forgoe health care and any hope of a decent life. If you imagine living on the "dole" is some kind of luxury lifestyle then you should get out more. This is living at poverty level and if you want to swap because you think they are having such a ball...feel free to do so. Obviously you prefer to pay your taxes to provide a health service and new lifestyle for Iraqis than Americans.... Don't hear any complaints about that. The takers are the "Fat Cats" who drain the life out of workers. keep the workers poor to keep themselves rich and then expect a thank you for doing it.
I spoke to a hard working Govt employee who said she has a well woman scheme at work that will diagnose if she has Cancer but her health plan will not pay to have the Cancer treated. What the hell is that about? Hey we can discover if you have a severe illness but we will not do anything to cure you so go away and suffer. God these 'TAKERS' have it soooo good.

Money in through tax payer assets = Companies, corporations, productive individuals and so forth. (private sector)
The same private Sector who move their factories and work force abroad for bigger profits and to avoid tax. The same people who grease palms to get buidings listed as "historic" properties etc so the Govt will pay for their upkeep. The ones who get HUGE tax relief on their properties. Disgusting!

Money out that are a Liability = Welfare, too generous social programs and the elite of the government employees. (public sector minus the military, police and fire)
Do you mean the "Welfare" given in subsadies to big corporations?
No way is welfare too generous here in America and in fact it is criminal that good honest Americans die every year because they are far back in the queue for Govt money after the "Fat Cats" have dipped well and truly into the trough
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Old 05-05-2011, 06:04 PM
 
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Best post on this thread so far IMO.
Need an eyesight test? You can get a cheap one down at Walmarts.
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Old 05-05-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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RCCCB........ From your earlier threads i can see that you have absolutely NO idea what Socialism is and seem to link it to Communism.... they are two different concepts. It must be confusing you that they both end in "ism"
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Old 05-05-2011, 06:20 PM
 
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And round and round we go...!
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And the beat goes on....
The fundamental difference between a country based upon personal liberty and one based upon statist collectivism, is significant, IMO. YMMV
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