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Yes, I'll say it again. Bill Clinton is a flake. And here's why: He had sex with an intern named Monica Lewinsky in the "oral" office which goes to show he is a man of low character.
Who should care what Slick Willie does today? His legacy is poor. This just adds to the failures. Oh yeah - he balanced the budget.... that's his legacy. Big deal.
8 years of peace and prosperity under Clinton are not something to be ignorned.
Not like he's ever really demonstrated a commitment or belief in marriage before...why start now?
The fact that he and his wife stayed together and worked it out, rather than the affairs and multiple marriages of GOP leaders show a commitment. Should we use Gingrich, Limbaugh, Livingston, Hyde, McCain as the model? I especially love Hyde's comment when he referred to his out of wedlock son as "that boy" instead of his son.
The fact that he and his wife stayed together and worked it out, rather than the affairs and multiple marriages of GOP leaders show a commitment. Should we use Gingrich, Limbaugh, Livingston, Hyde, McCain as the model? I especially love Hyde's comment when he referred to his out of wedlock son as "that boy" instead of his son.
Do you think they'd have stayed together if they weren't in politics?
8 years of peace and prosperity under Clinton are not something to be ignorned.
8 years of cutting defense and intel budgets resulting in the murders on 9/11, doing nothing in Rwanda while people were slaughtered. Yeah, he was really great. Too busy chasing skirts I guess.
What "surplus?" The national debt grew by $1 trillion during his time in office.
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I think your "thinking" of Reagan or Bush!!!
First, Clinton's debt or surplus is irrelevant to the discussion of gay marriage.
Second, all of this can be found here: National debt by U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, in the eight years of the Clinton Presidency, the Nat'l debt rose by ~$1.5 trillion but the debt/GDP ratio dropped dramatically. Clinton's last four years were surplus -- caused by his decision to raise taxes.
Bush1, in just four years added the same amount of debt and while increasing the debt:GDP ratio.
Reagan, tripled the national debt and increased the debt:GDP ratio by ~25%.
Bush2, added ~$5 trillion and increased the debt:GDP ratio by ~30%.
In all, Clinton had the best economic results out of any of them but again, Clinton's debt or surplus is irrelevant to the discussion of gay marriage.
8 years of cutting defense and intel budgets resulting in the murders on 9/11, doing nothing in Rwanda while people were slaughtered. Yeah, he was really great. Too busy chasing skirts I guess.
Giuliani: Bill Clinton cut the military drastically. It's called the peace dividend, one of those nice-sounding phrases, very devastating. It was a 25, 30 percent cut in the military. President Bush has never made up for that. We – our Army had been at 725,000; it's down to 500,000.
Actually, most of the cutting to which Giuliani refers occurred during the administration of George H.W. Bush. At the end of fiscal year 1993 (which was Bush’s last one in office), the Army had 572,423 active-duty soldiers – a far cry from 725,000. In fact, to get to that number, one has to go back to 1990, during the first gulf war. Moreover, Clinton’s cuts in the military, while large, were nowhere close to 25 percent to 30 percent. Between 1993 and 2001, the Army went from 572,423 to 480,801, which is a decline of 16 percent. The entire military went from 1,705,103 to 1,385,116, a decrease of 18.8 percent.
Compare that with the far larger cuts made during the first Bush administration: In 1989, the military stood at 2,130,229 and the Army had 769,741 soldiers. By 1993, those numbers had declined by 19.9 percent and 25.6 percent, respectively.
And as we’ve pointed out before, it was the first Bush administration – specifically then-Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney – that began bragging openly of the peace dividend.
Here's the background: In the early-to-mid '90s, the National Reconnaissance Office—the branch of the U.S. intelligence community that controls spy satellites—had come under investigation for serious financial malfeasance. The probe found vast waste, extravagance, and hoarding. In one instance, the NRO canceled the launching of a highly expensive spy satellite, didn't tell Congress (or any federal agency) about it, and kept the money.
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It wasn't just "the liberals in Congress" who voted for this refund. The sponsor of the Senate amendment that passed—and it passed without controversy—was Arlen Specter, Republican of Pennsylvania.
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Around the same time, in 1995, Rep. Porter Goss—who was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee—co-sponsored another omnibus budget-trimmer, which among other things would have cut intelligence personnel by 4 percent a year in each year from 1996 to 2000. Goss, of course, is the man that President Bush recently appointed as the director of the Central Intelligence Agency.
With respect to Clinton cutting intelligence, Clinton requested an increase in intelligence budget:
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President Clinton had asked for an increase that would have outpaced inflation, contending that the national security requirements in the post-cold war era justified the steeper rise.
The Democratic lawmakers have generally agreed that intelligence programs provide cost-effective insurance against surprises in an unpredictable new world. But in turning aside Mr. Clinton's request, they have argued that the intelligence agencies must share some of the budget-cutting burden being borne by the military. 2 Budgets for Intelligence
While the size of the nation's vast intelligence budget remains an official secret, Administration and Congressional officials say the White House request for an increase next year would bring it to well over $28 billion. (NYT: June 18, 1993)
Thus, the claim that "[Clinton's] 8 years of cutting defense and intel budgets resulting in the murders on 9/11..."is completely debunked.
Do you think they'd have stayed together if they weren't in politics?
No one will ever know. That is like asking if a married couple of 50 years would have stayed together if they lived on an island with just 20 people, or would that same couple stayed together if the man did not have a garage to retreat to. They have found a balance that works for them in the society and professions they have chosen.
8 years of cutting defense and intel budgets resulting in the murders on 9/11, doing nothing in Rwanda while people were slaughtered. Yeah, he was really great. Too busy chasing skirts I guess.
You know the budget is something that is passed by Congress and he had a GOP senate. Cutting spending does not equal cutting quality. Did we really need all 546 ships in the USN when he took office after the Cold War was over? When he left office we still had over 3,000 warheads on ballisitic subs. How many do we need over that once you count the land based missles with 1950 warheads? 2,000 combat planes wasn't enough? Did we really need all the divisions we had in Europe? Intelligence was good enough to foil the plan to blow up airliners on a mass scale over the oceans. How many we never heard about that were foiled we will never know. We are always hearing from conservatives how bloated the Federal govt is. As for Rwanda, would the American people supported troops? I doubt it, he went into Kosovo with just air power over the objections of the majority of Americans and the GOP Senate leadership especially Trent Lott. No doubt people would have screamed that he went in, had he, in an area with no strategic interest to the US.
What a tool.
He should have backed it in 1996, and not signed Defense of Marriage act.
He's irrelevant anymore. Just another example how Dems use the GLBT for their votes.
Really? And what 'vote' is Mr. Clinton going after?
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