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Old 05-10-2011, 06:51 AM
 
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All of the jerk offs will have to find a job.

All of the welfare queens will stop having baby after baby they can't afford.

The illegals will not be able to support their anchor babies and return to where they came from.
Exactly. A large portion of our fast increasing poverty is imported. And the liberals only want to bring more of it in, make it even easier to come here illegally and expect the life of a welfare king or queen.

Cut off much of the welfare handouts and birth citizenship wouldn't be such a problem, welfare queens might try a little birth control and some would realize they should work for a living like the rest of us do.
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Old 05-10-2011, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Miami, FL
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1. Dispossesion of families?
2. Increased crime rate

4. Increased work ethic among those refusing low paying work due to the net gain from public assistance compared to working low wage employment?
5. Starvation in the streets?
6. Other.
I wrote the OP because have traveled in Central and South America and noted the above. There is limited to no social programs in place for the unemployed and working poor.

Regarding pt.1. You see Two-four generations of families living together in one apartment.

Regarding pt.2 Note high degree of property crimes.

Regarding pt4. People who have jobs value them highly and six day work week is the norm. People are creative in terms of how to raise additional income with their own endeavors both legally and illegally.

Regarding pt5. Street people appear considerably underfed and in poor health.

Regarding pt6. Wide disparity in quality of life between the non-wealthy. In the USA it appears even the poor can find food and shelter and a semblance of health care which mirrors the lower rung middle class. Not so down South of the Border.

Decline in revenues leads to diminished local taxes leads to limited quality civil service functions- roads, water/sewage, police/fire/emt, education. etc.

There are benefits to terminating the social safety net but there are consequences. I wrote the OP asking if we can live with those consequences.

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Old 05-10-2011, 07:38 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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When a person is better off on welfare than working for min wage or slightly higher something is wrong.
Thats for sure. The most likely results would be options 3 and 4 of the OP. If wide scale self deportation of illegals occurred, millions of "jobs that Americans will not do" would open up. Cut off unemployment for the "99ers" and watch how fast they get up off of their behinds and find one of these jobs. The entire nation needs to get off of this mindset of entitlement that the cancer of liberalism has injected into us in recent decades. For those of us that are old enough to have parents or grandparents that lived through the Great Depression of the 1930's, we have heard from them how tough things really were then. far worse than now, but people and the nation survived. Perhaps we should learn from history, and toughen up and return to self reliance.
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:26 AM
 
Location: NY, NY
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Another thing to consider is that prior to the US having any form of a "social net" for the poor, there was a very real chance that a rebellion against the federal govt would occur. If the majority of the people in this country feel they are struggling for nothing, expect social disorder.

In fact, during and right before the Great Depression, there was a very strong Socialist / Communist Party that was making great electoral gains (and Im not talking Obama Socialism but real Socialism).
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:32 AM
 
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Just like it says. Read a great deal regarding Welfare and Public Assistance abuse. Same with Social Security disability. Unemployment extensions are unlikely to occur with the Republican Congress. What shall we see if strict budgeting comes out of D.C. in the next few months to restrict the above programs. This is a case of actions having consequences which are not expected.

Shall we see:

1. Dispossesion of families?
2. Increased crime rate
3. Reverse immigration of illegals?
4. Increased work ethic among those refusing low paying work due to the net gain from public assistance compared to working low wage employment?
5. Starvation in the streets?
6. Other.
More jobs will be created by the private sector. One of the reason why the private sector is not creating job is because the government is using all the capital that could have been used by the private sector.
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Old 05-10-2011, 08:33 AM
 
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Another thing to consider is that prior to the US having any form of a "social net" for the poor, there was a very real chance that a rebellion against the federal govt would occur. If the majority of the people in this country feel they are struggling for nothing, expect social disorder.

In fact, during and right before the Great Depression, there was a very strong Socialist / Communist Party that was making great electoral gains (and Im not talking Obama Socialism but real Socialism).
There is nothing wrong with rebellion. If people has more freedom, the government should be afraid of the people. Now, it is the other way around. People are afraid of government and freedom are taking away daily.
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Old 05-10-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: around racist white people
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Yes, social strife, people living in cardboard boxes, dumpster diving for food would be just great! Bring it on! (Sarcasm)
Less employment opportunities for minorities and women.
Increased cost of living
Private sector creating mostly service jobs, that don't pay much.
More poverty and depression
And they wonder why the government is there.
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Old 05-10-2011, 09:19 AM
 
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"Common sense is a collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen"
- Einstein
“Common sense is genius dressed in its working clothes.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Old 05-10-2011, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Dallas
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I wrote the OP because have traveled in Central and South America and noted the above. There is limited to no social programs in place for the unemployed and working poor.


There are benefits to terminating the social safety net but there are consequences. I wrote the OP asking if we can live with those consequences.

You are assuming certain consequences. Those are just your assumptions.

You cannot assume we would be like these other countries. There is more to their story than lack of welfare.
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Old 05-10-2011, 10:38 AM
 
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Just like it says. Read a great deal regarding Welfare and Public Assistance abuse. Same with Social Security disability. Unemployment extensions are unlikely to occur with the Republican Congress. What shall we see if strict budgeting comes out of D.C. in the next few months to restrict the above programs. This is a case of actions having consequences which are not expected.

Shall we see:

1. Dispossesion of families?
2. Increased crime rate
3. Reverse immigration of illegals?
4. Increased work ethic among those refusing low paying work due to the net gain from public assistance compared to working low wage employment?
5. Starvation in the streets?
6. Other.
I think you'd see churches stepping up and acting like churches. You'd also see the economy take off because those that can work probably would.
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