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Most Islamic followers are like most people you'll meet anywhere else. They have families, want the best for them, work hard everyday, and aren't obsessed with converting people to their religion or killing them if they don't.
I agree--most are. Unfortunately islam is more than a religion--it's also a political system...and it's not good for anyone else if that system gets control. It's not Lutherans that are blowing up buildings, hijacking planes and declaring a jihad.
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Its the very vocal minority that has given them mostly a bad name, just like a very vocal minority in the Christian faith give many Christians a bad name.
But our vocal minority of Christians don't do violence to try to implement a political system.
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But I ask this of all three of the Abrahamic religions. If you aren't going to follow all of the rules in your holy books, why follow them at all? Most Jews, Christians, and Muslims don't kill homosexuals on sight.
If you understood Christianity you would realize that Christians are not called to live by the OT Laws to that extent.
You're saying this like its only Muslims that go to this extreme. While its been a while since a major Christian group has done acts of terrorism outside of Africa, the IRA did the same thing during their time in Ireland.
And 98% of all Muslims don't do that either. Like I said, its a very loud extremists element.
The only good Muslims are the ones who are not following Islam. Of course there are the ones who are in name only who drink, believe that Jews and infidels don't have to be slaughtered, they might even own a dog as a pet.
But they are in name only. The Koran explicitly instructs them to slaughter infidels where they find them. It's nice they don't really believe in Islam but there's always a chance they would pick up and read the Koran and get to work.
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"Self-righteous lunacy" is not equivalent to a beating or worse.
You're right. it's not the same thing.
But mounting hateful campaigns, demonizing someone and all the while viciously attempting to destroy someone's career; because you accidently saw their nipple or because they said something you disagree with, is hardly rational, open-minded and civilized.
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At least it allows for progress and learning and doesn't require everyone bow down to them. Heck, you can actually join another religion without fear of being hunted down and killed for it.
That's good enough for me,
That's true.
Christianity simply works quietly through their corporate and political connections and slowly, repeatedly attempt to bully and force legislation (laws/policies) that better reflects their twisted Biblical logic; into public law.
Effectively forcing Americans to adhere to their own special interpretations of Biblically correct "ideals".
Oh wait, there's another looney Christian trying to outlaw blowjobs in the privacy of my own home.
The only good Muslims are the ones who are not following Islam. Of course there are the ones who are in name only who drink, believe that Jews and infidels don't have to be slaughtered, they might even own a dog as a pet.
But they are in name only. The Koran explicitly instructs them to slaughter infidels where they find them. It's nice they don't really believe in Islam but there's always a chance they would pick up and read the Koran and get to work.
Sure, Islam is inherently more problematic than other religions. But still, what you write goes for most religions, namely that those who are only adherents by name are those who cause the least problems. The views and attitudes of conservative Jewish settlers for instance are not much better than those of Islamists.
Whenever tribes or peoples feel they are special or even god's favorites, there is a problem...
Christianity simply works quietly through their corporate and political connections and slowly, repeatedly attempt to bully and force legislation (laws/policies) that better reflects their twisted Biblical logic; into public law.
Whether or not it's "twisted Biblical logic" is subject to debate. But do we have any less right to exercise our voice in this country than those that hate religion or have a secular motivation?
It's not our fault you don't have an objective standard of morality and the one you have continues to shift from generation to generation. I'm sorry if it offends you that we have th audacity to stand up and say something is wrong.
Christianity is even worse than Islam. It's time mankind rid itself of the dangerous self-delusion that is religion. Religion had its time but it is no longer needed in modern society.
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Christianity is even worse than Islam. It's time mankind rid itself of the dangerous self-delusion that is religion. Religion had its time but it is no longer needed in modern society.
Whether or not it's "twisted Biblical logic" is subject to debate. But do we have any less right to exercise our voice in this country than those that hate religion or have a secular motivation?
It's not our fault you don't have an objective standard of morality and the one you have continues to shift from generation to generation. I'm sorry if it offends you that we have th audacity to stand up and say something is wrong.
There is no objective standard of morality. Morals are always in flux and vary from culture to culture, from time to time. The stuff written (by humans with an agenda) in the Bible dates back to a certain time and region, and had it not been written down, it would have shifted from generation to generation as well.
You can't say what is wrong or not, only what you think is wrong or not, based on your views imported and adopted from the Middle East and Europe via the bible.
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Whether or not it's "twisted Biblical logic" is subject to debate. But do we have any less right to exercise our voice in this country than those that hate religion or have a secular motivation?
It's not our fault you don't have an objective standard of morality and the one you have continues to shift from generation to generation. I'm sorry if it offends you that we have th audacity to stand up and say something is wrong.
First of all, this is so out of context with the actual thread topic and what I was responding to, that it's comical.
Second of all, that was a complete and comical knee-jerk defensiveness response void of any real context, void of truth and littered with hilarious self-righteous assumtions and holier than thou, pat yourself on the back nonsense.
1) Christians, in this thread, are pretending that Christians as a whole are so much better, worlds better than Muslims.
Which is true to some degree, but they're really not that much better than Muslims, overall.
2) Christians don't just "stand up" for what they believe in. They routinely and historically bully and force their Biblically-based "values and morals" on everyone. Always have.
3) You just proved one of my major points, by pretending that you have some kind of higher standards of morals and values.
That's complete bullsh*t. You don't. And you know nothing of my standards of values and morals and how they have withstood the generations, you know nothing of my spirituality, you know nothing of my beliefs in God. Just another example of Biblically based hollier than thou self-righteousness and utter ignorance.
4) No one ever claimed you have no right to exercise your voice. But that's not at all the topic of this thread or this discussion.
5) You're simply trying, desperately to play the martyr card and feign oppressive intentions. Which is laughable.
6) No, twisted Biblical logis is not up for debate. Christians tend to be extremely intolerant of anything not " Biblically Approved". And if you believe it's rational and civilized to use a three thousand year old book, written by god knows who, as a definitive and absolute basis for law and policy; then, you're as looney as the Muslims.
6) Thank you for helping unitentionally prove my point.
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