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Why don't you guys stop this silly semantic argument and agree that healthcare isn't a right (which is what this thread is about).
Because they thought they had a point when they brought up EMTALA, using the law that "demands" healthcare to argue that its a "right". They just forgot that not all hospitals follow EMTALA and are not required to treat patients, which actually proves they were wrong..
Because they thought they had a point when they brought up EMTALA, using the law that "demands" healthcare to argue that its a "right". They just forgot that not all hospitals follow EMTALA and are not required to treat patients, which actually proves they were wrong..
There is an even easier argument. If the exact same healthcare isn't available to everyone, it isn't a right.
There is no "RIGHT" to healthcare when the government criminalizes the unlicensed access to it.
It is currently a government granted privilege, that we have to pay a steep fee to access - not only for permission slips (prescriptions) but for the medicines we buy... from other government licensed sources.
There is no "RIGHT" to healthcare when the government criminalizes the unlicensed access to it.
It is currently a government granted privilege, that we have to pay a steep fee to access - not only for permission slips (prescriptions) but for the medicines we buy... from other government licensed sources.
Of course HC is a right! Like most all of our rights in this Country, if you have enough money to buy it or power to take it, you have the right.
So what's the difference between the right to own a gun and the right to buy insurance for healthcare?
You are not forced to buy a gun.
Insurance isn't a right.
Healthcare has already been determined to be a right as they cannot refuse you service if you show up dying.
What kind of idiotic thinking was that question? Really??
This is what our schools are spitting out these days?
Why don't you guys stop this silly semantic argument and agree that healthcare isn't a right (which is what this thread is about).
I NEVER said healthcare is a "right".
As a matter of fact, if you think about it, the only right people have in this country is the right to do without due to lack of money. The Congress can amend the Constitution and strip people of any "rights" they may think they have.
What I brought up was the fact that the EMTALA law has (unintentionally) created an ipso facto right to healthcare.
Here's the definition of ipso facto http:///www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ipso+facto (broken link)
So, for any politician to argue that there is no right to healthcare is disingenuous. Unless the Congress repeals EMTALA, there is an ipso facto right to healthcare in case law.
The individual who wrote the article is a nurse and a lawyer.
Is there a right to healthcare spelled out in the constitution? NO
What is the political reality on the ground? People don't like to die and they don't want their loved ones to die either. Whether people have a "right" to healthcare is irrelevant, really. How people vote is what matters.
There is a disconnect between the Ron Paul/Rand Paul universe and the political reality in this country.
Ron Paul is running for POTUS under the GOP. I do believe the people who run the GOP, the ones who "pull the strings", are going to deny him the nomination.
If Ron Paul's ideas were to be implemented in the next two years, there would be a social upheaval of apocalyptic magnitude. Bear in mind, the underclass and the seniors are armed to the teeth. It is in the best interests of the politicians, of both sides, to keep people fat, dumb and distracted. The last thing they want is to do is to is return this country to a Charles Dickens' type era and have to face an American version of the French Revolution.
You can't have a "Right" to anything that someone else has to provide. Let's say 100 of us are stranded on a desert island and I'm the only Doctor. You may think you have a right to my services for free but what if I don't want to give you my services for nothing or at all? You'll have to enslave me by force and make me work by violence and threats and chains and whips. How else are you going to force me to serve you when I don't choose to?
I suggest you submit a better example.
If you are the only doctor on a deserted island and choose not to provide your services unless you are given something in return (extra food, etc) I guarantee you quite a few of the other 99 people on said island are going to kill you, roast you over an open pit and eat you.
Do not assume that people's humanity remains intact under duress. History has shown the depravity that people are capable of under desperate circumstances.
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