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Old 05-13-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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Originally Posted by nicet4 View Post
Is this administration classy or what?

Government Sends Wildfire Aid To Mexico, Not Texas
Well Rick Perry did write a book called "Fed Up" that was all about how federal government needs to butt out of the states' business. Looks like for once Obama actually listened.

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Old 05-13-2011, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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What the pettiness of partisan politics does....

So sad really. We are turning from the "United States" to the "Divided States".
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Old 05-13-2011, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Texas
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He did request just the declaration for the entire state.
Then a few pages in he requests part B for specific states.
Now I don't understand what "approved FMAGs" mean but those counties exceeded it.

So why didn't the WH deny part B but declare for the state ?

Realize that cattlemen are dumping what remaining cattle they have into the market.
Between the drought and fires there's no hay, no water, barns/fences/equipment are gone and there's no money for loans.
This will effect supermarket prices a few months down the road.
He requested a MAJOR disaster area FOR 99% of the entire STATE. 254 of 256 counties. There WERE NOT impacted nor threatened counties in ALL 254 counties requested.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s request denied – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs

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But, while the request was being reviewed, the state wasn't exactly left in the lurch.
The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) approved 25 fire management assistance grants in April, specifically designed to support firefighting efforts. They cover 75 percent of the state's emergency response work for each fire, according to FEMA spokeswoman Rachel Racusen who objected to Perry's claims of neglect in a statement Wednesday.
So while under review, the needs of the State were met and addressed. Additional funding was not required, and thus the request for a MAJOR disaster was denied.
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"Based on the information the state provided to FEMA through this process, it was determined that there was not a need for additional support at this time as the federal assistance is already being provided to Texas for response activities in the form of the Fire Management Assistance Grants."
Now you're talking about cattlemen and other property...Perry...DID NOT ASK FOR THAT. Therefore how can the Federal Gov't step in under FEMA and provide what was not asked for???

It's either over-reach or ignoring....which is it going to be? You can't have it both ways, like Perry is hoodwinking the media and public. You can't claim assistance isn't being given, when it clearly is. You can't claim that people are being helped, when the asking for help hasn't even happened.
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Old 05-13-2011, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Now you're talking about cattlemen and other property...Perry...DID NOT ASK FOR THAT. Therefore how can the Federal Gov't step in under FEMA and provide what was not asked for???
The disaster declaration for the state (first page) would allow for low cost loans. That's what these people need.

I never claimed that Texas was not getting assistance. All my posts have been about the "low cost loans" to the individuals who need them to rebuild.
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Old 05-13-2011, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The disaster declaration for the state (first page) would allow for low cost loans. That's what these people need.

I never claimed that Texas was not getting assistance. All my posts have been about the "low cost loans" to the individuals who need them to rebuild.
The disaster declaration WOULD NOT have included ANY OPTION for low cost loans, because Perry DID NOT ASK FOR IT.

He asked for Category B-Direct Federal Assistance. That is this from the FEMA website:

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B. Direct Federal Assistance.
FEMA will provide direct Federal assistance through a mission assignment to another Federal agency - upon request of the State - when the State and local government certify they lack the capability to perform or contract for the requested work. The duration of mission assignments for debris removal will be limited to 60 days from the disaster declaration date. The Federal Coordinating Officer may approve extensions for up to an additional 60 days, if a State or local government demonstrates a continued lack of capability to assume oversight of the debris removal mission. Additional extensions will require approval by the Recovery Division Director at FEMA Headquarters. If the President has also authorized 100% Federal funding for emergency work and/or debris removal under sections 403 or 407 of the Stafford Act for the disaster, the Federal share of work mission-assigned by FEMA will be as follows:
    1. Debris Clearance and/or Removal: When FEMA directs another Federal agency to accomplish debris clearance and/or removal, FEMA will provide at 100% Federal share the cost of actual debris clearance and/or removal work accomplished, not mission assignment task orders initiated, during the designated period. This work includes whatever clearance, pick up, hauling, processing and disposal activities FEMA authorizes but only during the designated period. After the designated period, if further direct Federal assistance for debris clearance or removal is necessary, it will be provided at the prevailing Federal cost share rate for the particular disaster. The State shall agree in advance to reimburse FEMA for the appropriate non-Federal share of the work including the overhead of the Federal agency assigned the task of debris removal.
    2. Food, Water, Ice and Other Consumable Commodities: For a mission assignment task order approved during the designated period, such commodities and the work necessary to distribute them, but not including installation or set-up, shall be provided at 100% Federal share regardless of the work or project completion date. For task orders approved after the designated period, the commodities shall be provided at the prevailing Federal cost share rate for the particular disaster. The State shall agree in advance to reimburse FEMA for the appropriate non-Federal share of the work including the overhead of the Federal agency assigned the task.
    3. Other Emergency Protective Measures: For a mission assignment task order approved during the designated period, FEMA will provide at 100% Federal share the cost of the work actually completed during the designated period. Examples of these measures include: installation of generators, installation of large plastic sheet roofing, and shoring or demolition of unsafe structures. After the designated period, the work or supplies shall be provided at the prevailing Federal cost share rate for the particular disaster. The State shall agree in advance to reimburse FEMA for the appropriate non-Federal share of the work including the overhead of the Federal agency assigned the task.
No where in Perry's letter does he ask for low cost loans or any loans under the FEMA charter or of that section in his Major Disaster request. Perry ONLY requested the costs for the actual fighting of the fire, plus the costs they tabulated as
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“an unplanned, unwanted, wildland fire; and, basically, a wildland fire is any fire on land.”
that was supposedly affecting 99% of Texas.
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Old 05-13-2011, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The disaster declaration WOULD NOT have included ANY OPTION for low cost loans, because Perry DID NOT ASK FOR IT.

He asked for Category B-Direct Federal Assistance. That is this from the FEMA website:



No where in Perry's letter does he ask for low cost loans or any loans under the FEMA charter or of that section in his Major Disaster request. Perry ONLY requested the costs for the actual fighting of the fire, plus the costs they tabulated as that was supposedly affecting 99% of Texas.
From the PDF you linked earlier:

The first paragraph on pg1 asks for the Disaster Declaration for the state and he lists all the counties.
Then on pg3 he asks for Category B for specific counties.

Wouldn't that be 2 requests ? One for the state and the additional Category B for specific counties ?

That's how I read it.
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Old 05-13-2011, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Wherever women are
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Hey, gotta protect America's workforce
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Old 05-13-2011, 09:59 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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Obama only cares about states he has a chance of winning. He could care less about the American people he was elected to serve. He only cares about his own personal agenda and power.
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Old 05-13-2011, 10:11 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Obama only cares about states he has a chance of winning. He could care less about the American people he was elected to serve. He only cares about his own personal agenda and power.
Yeah..Texas, Virginia and New Jersey. All turned down for disaster declaration. Missouri, Tenn., Arkansas declared disaster areas.

Just seems odd.
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Old 05-14-2011, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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From the PDF you linked earlier:

The first paragraph on pg1 asks for the Disaster Declaration for the state and he lists all the counties.
Then on pg3 he asks for Category B for specific counties.

Wouldn't that be 2 requests ? One for the state and the additional Category B for specific counties ?

That's how I read it.
In the first paragraph he's asking for a Major Disaster Declaration due to wildland fires in the 252 counties...but not ALL of the aspects of one, just the Category B.

It's not 2 requests. The request, and information regarding it(fires going on in those counties) and then the request of the Disaster Declaration the request for Category B of the Major Disaster Declaration.

ONE request.
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