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Suppose the church had been baptizing a baby born to a woman as a result of a rape or other abuse. And that woman had a male friend/cousin/brother who had committed to helping her with raising the child.
Would you deny the baptism for the child?
Still confused?
Yes because having a child out of the wedlock means you CANNOT be a good parent, you will not love your child like a married couple would, your child will feel like less of a human being and he/she will end up being a drug addict, a prostitute...
Only married couples should have children, even if they don't want them and are not ready for them. The rings on their fingers give them magical parenting skills that those who are not married will never have...
I am not conservative, fundamentalist or Catholic.
I am looking at OUTCOMES from a sociological perspective.
When young, ill educated, inexperienced people, procreate out of boredom, the outcome is almost never good.
How many children have to be murdered by mom's current boyfriend for people to realize that un-wed teens do not make responsible parents?
Our prisons are full of the products of such unions.
I think it's just SAD.
I can not celebrate a mistake of this gravity.
I could celebrate if it were announced at church that the couple in question had decided to give their baby up for adoption to a competent, responsible couple. That would be something to celebrate!
I am not conservative, fundamentalist or Catholic.
I am looking at OUTCOMES from a sociological perspective.
When young, ill educated, inexperienced people, procreate out of boredom, the outcome is almost never good.
How many children have to be murdered by mom's current boyfriend for people to realize that un-wed teens do not make responsible parents?
Our prisons are full of the products of such unions.
I think it's just SAD.
I can not celebrate a mistake of this gravity.
I could celebrate if it were announced at church that the couple in question had decided to give their baby up for adoption to a competent, responsible couple. That would be something to celebrate!
You remind me of my boyfriend's uncle.
He is a pastor in El Paso, extreme conservative, raised his kids to be angels on earth, loved to call out on other people's mistakes....
Until his oldest daughter had 3 children out of wedlock.
You bet he shut his mouth about the issue real quick....
It really depends on context. Should a single woman have a child out of marriage? No. Should a couple who've been together for a while and are stable have a child even if they are not married? I don't see anything wrong with that.
It really depends on context. Should a single woman have a child out of marriage? No. Should a couple who've been together for a while and are stable have a child even if they are not married? I don't see anything wrong with that.
I have to disagree on one thing: not all single mothers do it by choice, some of them were in a stable relationship at some point until the man walked out...thus making them a "single parent".
Thank God, I can relate to your second example...and I feel lucky. But not all unmarried parents can say the same, which is sad.
I have to disagree on one thing: not all single mothers do it by choice, some of them were in a stable relationship at some point until the man walked out...thus making them a "single parent".
Thank God, I can relate to your second example...and I feel lucky. But not all unmarried parents can say the same, which is sad.
I'm saying a woman who is single just deciding to get pregnant would be a bad idea. I'm aware them men walk away from their families. It disgusting and wrong.
I'm saying a woman who is single just deciding to get pregnant would be a bad idea. I'm aware them men walk away from their families. It disgusting and wrong.
You're telling me! They think that just because they are not the ones carrying the child in their womb that it excuses them from being a parent. It's sad.
I am not. On mother's day a child was baptized at my church. The parents were boyfriend and girlfriend. Why do they feel no shame? I am so confused...
Is this something to celebrate? I think every kid deserves an ADULT as a parent. So am I wrong?
God Bless this new family. Every birth is something to celebrate.
Ideally they will receive a less judgmental welcome from others in the congregation and will find the support, helping hands and positive role models they will need to raise their child in these difficult times.
Perhaps their involvement in church will encourage them to get married.
Perhaps they had/have already planned to do so and like so many others, Mary included, found that God had a different plan for their lives.
Perhaps, and this would be really sad, there will be too many people like yourself who will make them feel unwelcome and cause them to turn away from their faith due to the example you set, sending them off to the proverbial stable because you could find no room in your 'inn.'
Recall these words:
"But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven."
Are you OK with people having kids outside of marraige?
I feel the most important thing is married or not, people should not have children unless they are mature and responsible enough to raise them in a safe, healthy environment and be able to afford to give them what they need to be successful in life.
Having a child is a lifetime commitment; if two people can't make that commitment to each other then maybe they should not have children.
I am not. On mother's day a child was baptized at my church. The parents were boyfriend and girlfriend. Why do they feel no shame? I am so confused...
Is this something to celebrate? I think every kid deserves an ADULT as a parent. So am I wrong?
I agree with you but our own son has a 7 year old son and has been with his girlfriend or whatever for about 8 years. This doesn't mean I approve nor does his father. His reasoning: married twice, divorced twice, so he thinks if he got married a third time it probably wouldn't work. I wonder what his son will think when he is old enough to realize mom and dad are not married?
Nita
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Are you OK with people having kids outside of marraige?
