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Old 05-15-2011, 11:03 AM
 
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The BBC in news reporting has been accused of being very PC, and the impartiality has been known to slip on occasion (the iraq war for instance) but they do a pretty good job most of the time. Impartiality has its faults of course.

I wouldn't know about the US court system btw.
I've listedn to the BBC, I think they are very partisan about only reporting the parts of the "facts" that they want people to know and ignoring other "facts" that dispute their slant.. They are no different than any other news media organization.
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Old 05-16-2011, 09:13 AM
 
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And you have watched Beck how many times the past 2 weeks? I say none since you really don't know what he has been doing. Of course, he took Monday and Tuesday this week off and went to Israel and was on pure vacation most of the preceding week.

Can you point out where Beck claims to be reporting news? Somehow I have never heard that and I never miss him. On days when I am not at home I always watch him on my computer or wait up for 1:00 when they show his repeat. I would recommend that anyone who isn't a hater of Beck watch him about 3:00 pm EDT tomorrow or 2:00 CDT tomorrow just to see something that is not supposed to be news but will certainly be something you have never seen on a news broadcast. For instance, yesterday he had about 50 college kids on. All of them were minorities in that they were either Republicans or Libertarians. Only one of them was a real racial minority and she is a serious minority at her college. Black at a black school but still a minority because of her politics.
I actually watch it pretty often, which for me is once a week or so. I watch clips online more often. My point wasn't that Beck or Maddow or any of them claim to be reporting news, but that people confuse their type of shows with actual, factual news. They are entertainment opinion shows.

Thanks for responding to my civil post by calling me a hater and doubting what I watch on tv.
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Old 05-16-2011, 09:25 AM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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I've listedn to the BBC, I think they are very partisan about only reporting the parts of the "facts" that they want people to know and ignoring other "facts" that dispute their slant.. They are no different than any other news media organization.
Do you have any specific examples? The rightiwng in this country accuse it of being pro homosexuality by having the gall to show both arguments, even though the gay community has majority support in the UK regarding rights and pro global warming by siding with the majority consensus- they have had deniers on many times and their argument comes off as weak, I'd say the BBC is exemplary in my veiw regarding their science reporting.


Saying all of that its very sanitized - thats one of the downsides of impartiality. Theres no mention of our debt based monetary system and peak oil (there was a little bit in 2009 on this issue) being the root causes of the recession for example. Also when Bin Laden died they had to show 'both sides' when documenting his life.
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Old 05-16-2011, 09:45 AM
 
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Do you have any specific examples?
here is one such example
BBC News - US reaches $14tn debt limit and cuts investments

Republicans want to tie any agreement on the US budget to spending cuts, especially in the healthcare programme.

The GOP plan does include repealing the healthcare program, but this would increase deficits, not decrease them, since Obama care is a tax increasing law.

The Obama administration has proposed a $4tn package of budget cuts, but the Republicans say they do not go far enough.

Its Obamas plan proposing healthcare cuts and increased taxes..

Obama's goal: Cut deficit by $4T over 12 years - CBS News
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:04 AM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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here is one such example
BBC News - US reaches $14tn debt limit and cuts investments

Republicans want to tie any agreement on the US budget to spending cuts, especially in the healthcare programme.

The GOP plan does include repealing the healthcare program, but this would increase deficits, not decrease them, since Obama care is a tax increasing law.

The Obama administration has proposed a $4tn package of budget cuts, but the Republicans say they do not go far enough.

Its Obamas plan proposing healthcare cuts and increased taxes..

Obama's goal: Cut deficit by $4T over 12 years - CBS News
I don't see your point, other than a lack of detail in reporting. But then I pay no attention to US budget deficit problems anyway.
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:08 AM
 
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I don't see your point, other than a lack of detail in reporting. But then I pay no attention to US budget deficit problems anyway.
Other than a lack of details in reporting, you see no problem saying that a GOP plan is to cut healthcare, when its not the GOP plan, but a Democratic plan?

Sorry, I want the details in reporting, and I want them not only accurate, but I dont want them to lie to me either.. This is one such example of the BBC being not only wrong, but outright lying in their reports..
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Old 05-16-2011, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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I'm sure it would be pretty easy, I'll toss out a few from memory, any further and I'd have to look some up like you did with your list.

  1. StormFront
  2. Free Republic
  3. Faux spews
  4. ClearChannel
  5. EIB and Rush
  6. Drudge
  7. Weekly Standard
  8. National Review
  9. Wall Street Journal
  10. Breitbart
  11. Americans for Prosperity
  12. Human Events
So "off the top of your head" trumps good old fashioned research? Typical

I named 123 high profile liberal biased news hacks and you come back with 12? You include WSJ? That's a business rag and you include them as being conservative right biased? Anyway, you've proved my point with a dismal 10-1 ratio and you still had to include FOX... I said can you name any besides FOX, so this is a fail. The left OWNS spin, they OWN bias and they can't stand for anyone to disagree with them. They've trained you well grasshoppa.


Someone else said including the BBC is fundamentally flawed... (Reaching for straws, aren't we?)

-BBC News forms a major department of the BBC, and regularly receives complaints of bias, mostly of being overly left-wing, while some on the left criticise the BBC of being a part of the establishment. The Centre for Policy Studies - founded and run by prominent members of the centre-right Conservative Party says that, "Since at least the mid-1980s, the BBC has often been criticised for a perceived bias against those on the centre-right of politics.

... fine, remove BBC (which is liberal and you know it) and it totally prunes my list!

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Old 05-16-2011, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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Default wing nuts

Here, I took a few minutes to cut and paste some for you, as you did with your list.... probably miss a lot. enjoy
  1. StormFront
  2. Free Republic
  3. Faux spews
  4. ClearChannel
  5. EIB and Rush
  6. Drudge
  7. Weekly Standard
  8. National Review
  9. Wall Street Journal
  10. Breitbart
  11. Americans for Prosperity
  12. Human Events

A
Accuracy in Media
Accuracy in Academia
The American (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/The+American - broken link)
The American Conservative (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/The+American+Conservative - broken link)
American Conservative Union
The American Enterprise (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/The+American+Enterprise - broken link)
American Enterprise Institute
American Freedom Journal (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/American+Freedom+Journal - broken link)
The American Interest (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/The+American+Interest - broken link)
American Outlook (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/American+Outlook - broken link)
The American Spectator (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/The+American+Spectator - broken link)

B
James A. Baker III Institute for Public Policy
Glenn Beck (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Glenn+Beck - broken link)
Leo Brent Bozell III
Buying in bulk

C
Campus Watch
Catholic Family News
Cato Institute
Center for Immigration Studies
Center for International Policy
ClearChannel
Concord Coalition
Constitution ProjectMona Charen (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Mona+Charen - broken link)
Christian Broadcasting Network
Chronicles (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Chronicles - broken link)
City Journal (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/City+Journal - broken link)
Clear Channel Communications
Clinton Aides vandalized the White House
Commentary (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Commentary - broken link)
Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America
Conservative coalition
Conservative Political Action Conference
Conservative Punk
ConservativeHomeUSA
Conservatives without Conscience
Contempo Magazine
Cornerstone Policy Research
Conservapedia Jerome Corsi
Ann Coulter
Monica Crowley (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Monica+Crowley - broken link)
Culture Wars

D
Ben Domenech

E
Encounter Books

F
Don Feder (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Don+Feder - broken link)
Fidelity
Fox News
The Freeman (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/The+Freeman - broken link)
Front Page Magazine

G
John Gibson (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/John+Gibson - broken link)

H
Sean Hannity (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Sean+Hannity - broken link)
Harvard Salient (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Harvard+Salient - broken link)
Hot Air (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Harvard+Salient - broken link)
David Horowitz
Human Events (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Human+Events - broken link)

I
Insight
Independence Institute

L
Liberty University
Liberal Media
Rush Limbaugh (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Rush+Limbaugh - broken link)

M
Media Research Center
Michelle Malkin (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Michelle+Malkin - broken link)
Melanie Morgan
Rupert Murdoch (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Rupert+Murdoch - broken link)

N
National Empowerment Television
The National Interest (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/The+National+Interest - broken link)
National Review
New Atlantis Magazine (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/New+Atlantis+Magazine - broken link)
New York Sun
NewsBusters
NewsMax

O
Bill O'Reilly (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Bill+O - broken link)

P
Policy Review (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Policy+Review - broken link)
Project for the Republican Future
Protest Warrior
R
Regnery Publishing
Pat Robertson

S
Salem Communications
Michael Savage
Debbie Schlussel
Sinclair Broadcast Group
Social Contract Press
Southern Partisan (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Southern+Partisan - broken link)

T
Talk Radio Network
Talon News
Tyr (http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/Tyr - broken link)

W
Washington Times
Weekly Standard
WorldNetDaily
Ace of Spades HQ
Andrew Marcus
BigGovernment.com
Cubachi
Daily Caller
Defining Ideas
Doug Powers
Doug Ross @ Journal
Evan Coyne Maloney
Fausta's Blog
Gateway Pundit
La Shawn Barber’s Corner
Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion
Matt Lewis
Michelle Malkin
Newsbusters
NRA News
Patterico
Pundit & Pundette
Real Clear Politics
Ricochet
The Other McCain
The Shark Tank
The Sundries Shack
Tip Sheet Blog
Townhall
Hugh Hewitt
KFI – Los Angeles
Kirby Wilbur
Lars Larson
Laura Ingraham
Mark Levin
Michael Graham
Michael Smerconish
Mike Gallagher
Radio Vice Online
Rush Limbaugh
Sean Hannity
Tammy Bruce
Corporation for Enterprise Development
Economic Opportunity Institute
Economic Policy Institute
Goldwater Institute
Heritage Foundation
Institute for Policy Studies
Pew Research Center
Project for the New American Century
RAND Corporation
Tea Party Express

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Originally Posted by steven_h View Post
So "off the top of your head" trumps good old fashioned research? Typical

I named 123 high profile liberal biased news hacks and you come back with 12? You include WSJ? That's a business rag and you include them as being conservative right biased? Anyway, you've proved my point with a dismal 10-1 ratio and you still had to include FOX... I said can you name any besides FOX, so this is a fail. The left OWNS spin, they OWN bias and they can't stand for anyone to disagree with them. They've trained you well grasshoppa.


Someone else said including the BBC is fundamentally flawed... (Reaching for straws, aren't we?)

-BBC News forms a major department of the BBC, and regularly receives complaints of bias, mostly of being overly left-wing, while some on the left criticise the BBC of being a part of the establishment. The Centre for Policy Studies - founded and run by prominent members of the centre-right Conservative Party says that, "Since at least the mid-1980s, the BBC has often been criticised for a perceived bias against those on the centre-right of politics.

... fine, remove BBC (which is liberal and you know it) and it totally prunes my list!

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Old 05-16-2011, 04:05 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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Other than a lack of details in reporting, you see no problem saying that a GOP plan is to cut healthcare, when its not the GOP plan, but a Democratic plan?

Sorry, I want the details in reporting, and I want them not only accurate, but I dont want them to lie to me either.. This is one such example of the BBC being not only wrong, but outright lying in their reports..
The Rebublicans want a repeal of Obamas healthcare plan though (hence cutting federal expendidure) so the BBC article is correct. Ok they ommited what Obama was cutting but doesn't Obamas health plan increase the overall healthcare expenditure? You have to understand that Brits are not really interested in US budget defecit concerns so any reporting over here will be vague. The arcticle doesn't read of bias to me really- maybe innaccurate reporting, (it reads like its probably just poorly worded) and lacking in detail which is understandable given the audience. Really you'd have to come up with numerous obvious examples to convince me otherwise.
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Old 05-16-2011, 04:11 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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So "off the top of your head" trumps good old fashioned research? Typical

I named 123 high profile liberal biased news hacks and you come back with 12? You include WSJ? That's a business rag and you include them as being conservative right biased? Anyway, you've proved my point with a dismal 10-1 ratio and you still had to include FOX... I said can you name any besides FOX, so this is a fail. The left OWNS spin, they OWN bias and they can't stand for anyone to disagree with them. They've trained you well grasshoppa.


Someone else said including the BBC is fundamentally flawed... (Reaching for straws, aren't we?)

-BBC News forms a major department of the BBC, and regularly receives complaints of bias, mostly of being overly left-wing, while some on the left criticise the BBC of being a part of the establishment. The Centre for Policy Studies - founded and run by prominent members of the centre-right Conservative Party says that, "Since at least the mid-1980s, the BBC has often been criticised for a perceived bias against those on the centre-right of politics.

... fine, remove BBC (which is liberal and you know it) and it totally prunes my list!

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'Liberal' is considered a centrist neutral position in the UK. Impartiality is itself a liberal concept. Also the findings of bias are due to the organisations own impartiality checks, now i'm not saying there isn't any bias in their news reporting from time to time- What I am saying is that the BBC as an organisation doesn't intentionally promote a 'liberal agenda' in the way is being insinuated here. Anyone that questions Conservative ideology is automatically left/liberal/socialist in their eyes and since impartiality requires neutrality and presenting all points of view it innevitably comes off as 'liberal'.
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