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Old 05-16-2011, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Fascist Liberals??????????? obviously you don't know what Fascism is.......................
"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."
look at this, perfect example of todays american progressive liberal:....
""Fascism is a system in which the government leaves nominal ownership of the means of production in the hands of private individuals but exercises control by means of regulatory legislation and reaps most of the profit by means of heavy taxation. In effect, fascism is simply a more subtle form of government ownership than is socialism."" Mussolini the father of fascism

"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." Saul alinski


"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism,' they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened."

- Norman Thomas, former U.S. Socialist Presidential Candidate

Zbigniew Brzezinski advisor to carter, bush1,clinton, cheney and obama.....""This is a form of Socialism known as fascism, and it will be the type of world government the power elite plans ultimately to bring about and control. In this government, the power elite will control politicians who will become government leaders who will promulgate laws, rules and regulations favorable to certain transnational corporations"""........"In order to bring about a North American Union (NAU), the public first has to be conditioned to think of themselves as North Americans. ... "Zbigniew Brzezinski has been a CSIS counselor, and at Mikhail Gorbachev's first State of the World Forum in 1995, Brzezinski revealed:


"We cannot leap into world government through one quick step.... The precondition for eventual and genuine globalization is progressive regionalization because by that we move toward larger, more stable, more cooperative units."


"The aim of socialism is not only to abolish the present division of mankind into smaller states and all-national isolation, not only to bring the nations closer to each other, but also to merge them."

"...in Brzezinski's BETWEEN TWO AGES (1970), he praised Marxism, and he claimed that "the nation-state is gradually yielding its sovereignty." One aspect of American sovereignty that is being yielded is ownership of American companies by Americans. In the first 9 months of 2007, 69 companies in New England alone have been sold to foreign buyers. Nationally, the French company Alcatel bought Lucent Technologies in the U.S. last year, and in September 2007 announced it will be cutting thousands of jobs. ..."



As an ardent admirer of Marx, Benito Mussolini (1883-1945) called his version of Marxist socialism "Fascism" Instead of nationalization--government ownership--of private business, Mussolini advocated government control of business via complete bureaucratic regulation.

marxism, socialism, communism, fascism, progressivism, liberalism...all part of the same family

Up until ww2, fascist and progressives were the same thing....But they dropped the term fascist due to public outcry and stuck with the term progressive ever since. Aside from being a complete nut of a dictator, Hitler had extremely liberal political policies and highly regulatory government agencies. He even had unviersal health care.

H.G. Wells was of the greatest influences on the progressive mind in the twentieth century (and, it turns out, the inspiration for Huxley's Brave New World). Wells didn't coin the phrase as an indictment, but as a badge of honor. Progressives must become "liberal fascists" and "enlightened Nazis," he told the Young Liberals at Oxford in a speech in July 1932.
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:25 PM
 
Location: London UK & Florida USA
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I came over to America in 2006 and our normal shop in the supermarket had doubled from the year before.
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Fascist Liberals??????????? obviously you don't know what Fascism is.......................
"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."
In a laudatory review of Roosevelt's 1933 book Looking Forward, Mussolini wrote, "Reminiscent of Fascism is the principle that the state no longer leaves the economy to its own devices.… Without question, the mood accompanying this sea change resembles that of Fascism."

Where socialism sought totalitarian control of a society’s economic processes through direct state operation of the means of production, fascism sought that control indirectly, through domination of nominally private owners. Where socialism nationalized property explicitly, fascism did so implicitly, by requiring owners to use their property in the “national interest”—that is, as the autocratic authority conceived it. (Nevertheless, a few industries were operated by the state.) Where socialism abolished all market relations outright, fascism left the appearance of market relations while planning all economic activities. Where socialism abolished money and prices, fascism controlled the monetary system and set all prices and wages politically. In doing all this, fascism denatured the marketplace. Entrepreneurship was abolished. State ministries, rather than consumers, determined what was produced and under what conditions.

look at the political donations....goldman sacks donated over 5 million to the liberals just in the last election cycle

who is the fed???.... it is 12 banks mostly european...one of them is.....Sachs of New York ....another is Chase Manhattan Bank of New York (CHASE is the consumer and commercial banking subsidiary of JPMorgan Chase).....some of the others.....Lazard Brothers of Paris (one of the world's largest investment banks).......

another interesting fact one of the 12 was Lehman Brothers of New York ...now defunked..most of its assests were sold to barkleys of england.

The Fed was created to control the economy, which is a socialist mentality. FEDERAL RESERVE BANK Established in 1913 with the passage of woodrow Wilson's progressive reforms, They feel that they can take the ups and downs out of the normal economic cycle. Eventually the progressives got their opportunity to test their theory. In 1929 we began the great progressive Utopia. Roosevelt did what the progressives wanted; they almost eliminated the middle class. That left only the rich and the poor. FDR was hailed a hero because he provided the jobs in which he stole from the people to begin with. It was only death that kept FDR from becoming dictator.

It was only until the end of ww2 in which taxes were dramatically lowered that the country climb out of the depression created by the progressive's Utopia, but the Fed remained. Enter 2007 and we watched, as the fed seemed to weekly lower the prime rates in an effort to maintain a strong economy, all the while the great housing bubble created by the progressives began to leak. In 2009 that bubble burst and the Fed dropped lending rates to near zero.

We sat in 2010 with the Fed having only one option left in its book of tricks to effect the economy, and that is the create dollars. The printing presses are full on. Large corporations are borrowing interest free money from the Feds. That money doesn’t have to be printed. The Feds just tell that company to put X numbers of dollars into its account. Eventually that company will pay that money back to the Fed with no interest, but the kick is that they have to pay it back in actually cash. In that way the Fed is sucking some of that money back out of the economy. Where does that money go? It goes into the privately owned Federal Reserve banks. Someone is getting very rich off the financial ruin of the United States, all the while causing deflation to the US dollar.

The economy is still in the total control of the Fed and look where it’s keeping us. This is all a part of the One World Order people to equalize all the economies of the world. In North America they wish to bring down the USA, while bringing up Mexico and South America.

The lame stream media is not going to tell the masses these things, so it’s up to people like us to get the word out. We have to tell anyone that will listen. We have to get as many heads out of the sand that is possible.



funny thing is the rothschilds also run the magazine called "the progressive" a magazine around since 1909, with comtributors like bernie sanders (Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist, and has praised European social democracy), and Avram Noam Chomsky (liberal socialist)
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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BP is not American AT ALL, really?

FYI, Its largest division is BP America, which is the biggest producer of oil and gas in the United States and is headquartered in Houston, Texas.[9][10][11]


BP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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1. the oil companies are INTERNATIONAL
(bp and shell are not even american at all)...and they pay LOTS of taxes
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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BP is not American AT ALL, really?

FYI, Its largest division is BP America, which is the biggest producer of oil and gas in the United States and is headquartered in Houston, Texas.[9][10][11]


BP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
uhm

bp is BRITISH petrolium...the 'american' division is from amoco which it brought

BP p.l.c.[3][4] (LSE: BP, NYSE: BP) is a global oil and gas company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It is the third-largest energy company and fourth-largest company in the world measured by revenues

BP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and yes its american division is the biggest division..because that BRITISH company owns what USED TO BE amoco, gulf, standard oil, arco, and burmah castrol(scotish)...
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Old 05-16-2011, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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sorry, you saying it doesn't make it so... you are going to have to show something concrete. Should be easy enough to compare prices of stuff over the last 3 years.

I don't see these price spikes you suggest. The government doesn't see them either, two years in a row, there hasn't been a COLA for SS.

So, you only believe what the government tells you about inflation, unemployment and so on when a R's is in control?
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uhm so says who...some obama cabinate member

inflation has been near 15% for the last 3 years

look at the prices in the stores

have you benn to the store

prices are going up, and up

coffee is double what it was 4 years ago

coffee up

sugar up

cotton up

corn up

all other vegitable up

all meats up

almost everything us up



REAL INFALTION IS CURRENTLY ABOUT 10-15% or more...unfortuantely the government(from either party) doesnt give us the REAL numbers










it certainly is for every working class person or old person

you think that your utility cost being up is not inlation???

you think your medical/pharm costs being up is not inflation???

you think your clothing costs being up is not inflation???

you think your housing (rent and rela taxes) being up is not inflation???


you think food costs going up is not inflation???

you think building supply costs (ie home depot) being UP is not inflation???


almost EVERYTHING we use has gone up by at least 10% to in some cases 30% in the last 3 years...and you are going to tell me inflation is "only 2% or less"



have you been to the store???...have you SEEN THE PRICES???? milk is nearly $4 a gallon...meats have gone though the roof...in 2004 a 3lb can of coffee was about $3...today its a 2.2lb can of coffee and its $8...nearly a 300% increase in less than 10 years

sorry you are too blind to see

you certainly do prove that the sheeple are out there for the slaughter

so are you going to tell me YOU BELIEVE the government TELLING YOU that inflation is at 0-1% when PRICES in nearly everything have risen 10-20% or more????

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE SAND...dude

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Old 05-16-2011, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Hinckley Ohio
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you are wrong, my wife worked there, first at Sohio, then at BP AMERICA when BP MERGED with Sohio. Bottom line, Sohio along with a few pieces/parts became BP AMERICA

DUDE, you're WRONG, it is in its name, BP AMERICA in other words, when you said, "(bp and shell are not even american at all)" you were not right at all.

Sohio History

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uhm

bp is BRITISH petrolium...the 'american' division is from amoco which it brought

BP p.l.c.[3][4] (LSE: BP, NYSE: BP) is a global oil and gas company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It is the third-largest energy company and fourth-largest company in the world measured by revenues

BP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Old 05-16-2011, 02:06 PM
 
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Ok............. so still no one has any idea what the Republicans would do if elected..... No idea of their agenda.
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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I asked, on a different thread, if anyone had a real reason why the Country should vote Republican...... Not interested in Obama Bashing as a reason or the same old same old "vote for me because you shouldn't vote for him/her". Just like in the mid-terms..... no real plan except ..... "DON'T vote for him/her"
Let's see some reasons why anyone should vote for a candidate on his/her own merits...... this will be interesting.
Because the idealogy and values of the Republican candidates are similar to their own, the same reason people vote Democrat. Is it because you personally don't agree with the GOP platform that you can't understand why others do? Seems like you're trolling.
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Old 05-16-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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Voting for Republican's and their pro war, while cutting taxes on the wealthy, policies would be against my self interest. I will be supporting and voting for President Obama.
Obama continued the Iraq war, went into Libya, and extended the Bush tax cuts among many other Bush policies that liberals despise. Perhaps Obama isn't you man either.
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