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Energy is one of the keys that the Left is using to impose ever increasing government control over all aspects of our lives. Cap and trade, the phony global warming nonsense, no new nuclear power plants, no new offshore oil drilling, deliberate weakening of the dollar, the real reason for high oil prices, deliberate monetary policies sure to sharply increase inflation, thus rising food prices, etc., ever increasing government control over what we may or may not do or use, such as the topic under discussion here; all of these things add to the power of government to impose its will on the citizenry. If you think that the real subject of this topic is just lightbulbs, you have not been thinking or reading the posts carefully.
I've made it through about half of the posts on this thread before I gave up... but, what I think is being lost here is that those opposed aren't necessarily opposed to the technology, but rather to the government taking away your freedom to choose for yourself which one works best for you. If LED light bulbs are truly better (and I believe that they are for many applications) people will choose them over incandescent light bulbs. Better technology doesn't happen because the government says so. We're better off when individuals (users of the technology), rather governments, pick the winners. That's how markets work.
I pointed out the oven light at the beginning of this thread because it's a situation in which incandescent light bulbs clearly cannot be replaced with LED bulbs or CFL bulbs. There are plenty of other scenarios in which incandescent bulbs are superior. For example, stage lighting for productions (incandescent bulbs tend to give off richer light) prefers incandescent bulbs.
I love LED bulbs...100 Watt is a BREAKTHROUGH... the only thing is it is expensive BUT $50 is actually really CHEAP considering 60 Watt LED bulbs are about the same price... the only issue is that I heard LED bulbs are toxic trash... they need to be disposed of in a special manner but I can't remember why or how... Also another problem with LED bulbs is their light, they tend to be spotlights rather than illumination-type lights... but the tech is getting better and I am excited to see what they are like next year...
Yep, GE's been in bed with the federal government a very long time. Most of what is going on now in regard to government interference and control in our daily lives has been in the works for several decades.
I've made it through about half of the posts on this thread before I gave up... but, what I think is being lost here is that those opposed aren't necessarily opposed to the technology, but rather to the government taking away your freedom to choose for yourself which one works best for you. If LED light bulbs are truly better (and I believe that they are for many applications) people will choose them over incandescent light bulbs. Better technology doesn't happen because the government says so. We're better off when individuals (users of the technology), rather governments, pick the winners. That's how markets work.
Are you trying to use common sense on this thread? What I see are quite a number of folks who "hate" these cost-saving bulbs due to government meddling. That's unfortunate. There are two sides of this coin and lot's of folks throw the baby out with the bathwater by focusing on only one side. I think the mandate is a sad mistake that is becoming the norm for lots of things in this country (unfortunately). But that doesn't change the fact that these bulbs use a fraction of the power--that saves me money. Totally different issues. No, I don't like the government telling me how to run my life. I decide... and I decided based not on the government, but on my wallet. Simple numbers.
There are plenty of truly frightening government mandates in our time to fight against (Health Slavery Law, for instance). But this one is at the bottom of my list. As I said earlier, the mandate aspect was a stupid mistake. The evolution would have taken place on it's own.
I've made it through about half of the posts on this thread before I gave up... but, what I think is being lost here is that those opposed aren't necessarily opposed to the technology, but rather to the government taking away your freedom to choose for yourself which one works best for you. If LED light bulbs are truly better (and I believe that they are for many applications) people will choose them over incandescent light bulbs. Better technology doesn't happen because the government says so. We're better off when individuals (users of the technology), rather governments, pick the winners. That's how markets work.
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Are you trying to use common sense on this thread? What I see are quite a number of folks who "hate" these cost-saving bulbs due to government meddling. That's unfortunate. They are two issues and lot's of folks throw the baby out with the bathwater by focusing on only one aspect. I think the mandate is a sad mistake that is becoming the norm for lots of things in this country (unfortunately). But that doesn't change the fact that these bulbs use a fraction of the power--that saves me money. Totally different issues. No, I don't like the government telling me how to run my life. I decide... and I decided based not on the government, but on my wallet. Simple numbers.
There are plenty of truly frightening government mandates in our time to fight against (Health Slavery Law, for instance). But this one is at the bottom of my list. As I said earlier, the mandate aspect was a stupid mistake. The evolution would have taken place on it's own.
Did the auto companies offer padded dashboards, seat belts, safety glass, etc. -- in-spite of consumers desiring them, or did the federal government have to mandate them?
Did the insecticide companies voluntarily remove DDT from the marketplace or did the federal government have to mandate it?
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What I see are quite a number of folks who "hate" these cost-saving bulbs due to government meddling.
Energy is one of the keys that the Left is using to impose ever increasing government control over all aspects of our lives.
It could be that only the left recognizes the fact, while the right has its collective head in the sand.
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I love LED bulbs...100 Watt is a BREAKTHROUGH... the only thing is it is expensive BUT $50 is actually really CHEAP considering 60 Watt LED bulbs are about the same price... the only issue is that I heard LED bulbs are toxic trash... they need to be disposed of in a special manner but I can't remember why or how... Also another problem with LED bulbs is their light, they tend to be spotlights rather than illumination-type lights... but the tech is getting better and I am excited to see what they are like next year...
Toxicity is not an issue with LEDs, but to some extent with CFLs.
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I pointed out the oven light at the beginning of this thread because it's a situation in which incandescent light bulbs clearly cannot be replaced with LED bulbs or CFL bulbs. There are plenty of other scenarios in which incandescent bulbs are superior. For example, stage lighting for productions (incandescent bulbs tend to give off richer light) prefers incandescent bulbs.
I would say that LEDs would provide for greatest flexibility to lighting conditions, anywhere. As far as CFLs are concerned, the color, as with any other source, depends on the temperature. They are available with a wide variety of color temperatures. While office buildings (virtually everywhere) use bright whites, you could easily find something that is between 2700K to 3000K.
BTW, as I get it, the ban doesn't apply to all incandescents. In fact, it isn't about incandascents at all, but about efficiency. The idea is to maximize lumens per unit of energy used. If incandescent technology can deliver that, why not?
It could be that only the left recognizes the fact, while the right has its collective head in the sand.
Toxicity is not an issue with LEDs, but to some extent with CFLs.
Toxicity is not an issue with LEDs at the point of use like it is with CFLs. However, toxicity is an issue at the point of production, thus a significant proportion of these bulbs (CFL & LED) are being manufactured in China where environmental regulations are much looser. NIMBY
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