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crap I am a atheist so make sure you leave a note on what food your pets like so I can feed them and gas up your lawn mower too so atleast your lawns will be mowed
It seems like a lot of Atheists oppose Zionism because of the fact that they think that religion is a falsehood.
But why would they support Hamas-like organizations who ALSO want to conquest the land based on Islamic/Religious principles?
What's the difference between Jewish and Islamic beliefs?
It seems like a lot of Atheists oppose Zionism because of the fact that they think that religion is a falsehood.
The founders of Israel were not religious ; in fact Moshe Dayan and Golda Meir were atheists. None of them were devout, they were all secular and mostly socialists. Orthodox Jews DESPISED Zionism until the Six Day War (many still do) because it rejected Judaism in favor of secular nationalism.
The founders of Israel were not religious ; in fact Moshe Dayan and Golda Meir were atheists. None of them were devout, they were all secular and mostly socialists. Orthodox Jews DESPISED Zionism until the Six Day War (many still do) because it rejected Judaism in favor of secular nationalism.
Well, this just goes to show that Israel should NOT be in the West Bank.
It should be a Palestinian state.
But I was asking this more to the atheists who say that Israel should be COMPLETELY destroyed and replaced with an Islamic State like Syria that abuses and massacres its citizens.
Why support something like that?
Why not two states living side by side with defined borders?
"Just last week, Egyptian presidential candidate Amr Moussa, the longtime secretary-general of the Arab League, told the Washington Post that Hamas isn’t really a terror group. That might be harder to deny after he hears the audio..."
Need I remind you that Hamas was put in place in Gaza owing to a democratic election mandate??
It's the will of the people of Palestine. How does this become terrorism?
Need I remind you that Hamas was put in place in Gaza owing to a democratic election mandate??
It's the will of the people of Palestine. How does this become terrorism?
It's an interesting question: is Hamas a terrorist organization and the elected leaders of Gaza, separately? If they cannot be separated (and that argument does have some merits), then do their acts of violence constitute de facto acts of war?
Hamas has been trying to have it both ways (claiming they represent popular [and elected!] resistance rather terrorism, but at the same time decrying the collective suffering Israel has inflicted on Gaza because of them) while Israel also has been trying to have it both ways (refusing to negotiate with hamas as terrorists but also inflicting an embargo on the entire population for what were largely hamas' actions). Neither is a consistent position.
It's an interesting question: is Hamas a terrorist organization and the elected leaders of Gaza, separately? If they cannot be separated (and that argument does have some merits), then do their acts of violence constitute de facto acts of war?
Hamas has been trying to have it both ways (claiming they represent popular [and elected!] resistance rather terrorism, but at the same time decrying the collective suffering Israel has inflicted on Gaza because of them) while Israel also has been trying to have it both ways (refusing to negotiate with hamas as terrorists but also inflicting an embargo on the entire population for what were largely hamas' actions). Neither is a consistent position.
I don't see how less violent Hamas is compared to the Israeli military.
My biggest beef with the right is that they beyotch and moan about how Israel is the sole democracy in the ME. Yet when Palestinians put something similar in place, the popular vote aka democracy is still not enough. Double standard all the way to hell LMAO.
I wonder if anyone among the right even realizes if Hamas was democratically elected. Their clerics never told them that
I don't see how less violent Hamas is compared to the Israeli military.
My biggest beef with the right is that they beyotch and moan about how Israel is the sole democracy in the ME. Yet when Palestinians put something similar in place, the popular vote aka democracy is still not enough. Double standard all the way to hell LMAO.
I wonder if anyone among the right even realizes if Hamas was democratically elected. Their clerics never told them that
It's not so much an issue of comparison to the Israeli military.
In a nutshell, either Hamas is a legitimate representative of the Palestinian/Gazan population or not. If it is, then on the one hand it is by definition not engaging in terrorism, but the entire population is responsible for its actions. If it is not, its actions do constitute terrorism but actions against it that cause disproportionate suffering among the general population are morally wrong.
Both the Israeli government and Hamas try to have it both ways in their own respective favor. Hamas wants the privileges of electoral legitimacy without the responsibilities, while Israel wants to deny them the privledges while holding them responsible for the responsibilities.
It's not so much an issue of comparison to the Israeli military.
In a nutshell, either Hamas is a legitimate representative of the Palestinian/Gazan population or not. If it is, then on the one hand it is by definition not engaging in terrorism, but the entire population is responsible for its actions. If it is not, its actions do constitute terrorism but actions against it that cause disproportionate suffering among the general population are morally wrong.
Both the Israeli government and Hamas try to have it both ways in their own respective favor. Hamas wants the privileges of electoral legitimacy without the responsibilities, while Israel wants to deny them the privledges while holding them responsible for the responsibilities.
Agreed. 100%
Also, the reality on the ground was that the Palestinian people voted for Hamas not coz they hated Israel, but becoz of the inefficiency and corruption of Fatah, a fact which was conveniently ignored by all and sundry and the whole people were branded anti-Israeli and choosing for the destruction of the so-called democracy next door.
It seems like a lot of Atheists oppose Zionism because of the fact that they think that religion is a falsehood.
But why would they support Hamas-like organizations who ALSO want to conquest the land based on Islamic/Religious principles?
What's the difference between Jewish and Islamic beliefs?
Islamic ones are better?????
Care to respond to the hypocrisy?
it has nothing to do with that but rather isreal is sick of getting rocket attacks and threatened by Iran and they have a right to defend their country and conquest of land based on Islamic/Religious principles is stupid because Isreal is a tiny sliver of land and kind of stupid to fight over since isreal is not going anywhere and has the right to defend their country
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