Why is it not considered "death panels" when a private insurrance company denies treatment? (money, claim)
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That logic behind that must be mind boggling. Hows that work? If somebody who couldn't afford a procedure that "Obamacare" denied them suddenly finds a million dollars and goes to the hospital are there going to be federal agents there or something saying no you can't have that treatment???
Where are you getting 1,3 billion? They cut out $500B in spending when they passed the Obamacare program alone, and that was for a small minority of the population...
My mistake. That was supposed to say 1,3 trillion. Bit over 1 trillion less than todays system costs.
I can post the numbers and references later, real life is busy this week.
That logic behind that must be mind boggling. Hows that work? If somebody who couldn't afford a procedure that "Obamacare" denied them suddenly finds a million dollars and goes to the hospital are there going to be federal agents there or something saying no you can't have that treatment???
Yes, eventually, that is the plan. There is to be no choice.
Really, if true how long do you think the American people are going to put up with that nonsense? Not long at all, a matter a fact it may last a month and then heads will roll, after all just because this bill passed doesn't mean we are now Red China or Nazi Germany. So I do not believe your statement.
I read the first 972 pages of the ObamaCare bill. It's in there. It's essential because it's not about healthcare, it's about power.
Palin coined the 'death panel' based on a provision that made a voluntary consultation with your primary care physician about advance directives/end of life care a reimbursable service under Medicare Part B.
There was never a panel, there were never appointees, there was never a proposal to intervene to deny care in high-cost proceedures. There was only an idiot that said something, hundreds of idiots who blogged about it, and tens of thousands of idiots who believed it.
There is a panel and it is appointed. And there is no appeal of that panel's decisions. It's in the first 972 pages of the ObamaCare bill.
How many times was this addressed during the Obamacare discussions? Twenty or more perhaps? I'll type slowly.
When insurance does not cover a treatment people still have the option to pay out of pocket and select their own physicians and treatment. However, when government dictates what treatments may be given in a "one-size fits all" mandate there are no other options allowed. The government is the final word and they own your life. Pretty simple and obvious difference, IMO.
That is absolutely right. No one cares about your healthcare. They care about power and the ultimate power is the power to say who will live and who will die.
The bill is online. Read it and weep.
By the time you go to a state regulator and then take a insurance company to court you could well be dead.
Last summer ABC ran a series of documentaries about the health care system. A patient had serious heart problems and needed a heart transplant the insurance company initially REFUSED the transplant. The hospital basically tried to maintain the guys health can continued to try to get the insurance company to approve the guy for a transplant. By the time insurance company finally approve the guy for transplant he other systems in his body had gotten too weak to survive the transplant surgery. The guy ended up dying a couple of weeks later.
It's obvious insurance companies make decisions where profitability take precedence over patient care or best possible health outcomes.
Here is another incident where profitablity trumped pateint care:
Because when you but private insurance you agree to the limits in the contract. They can't change--they're agreed upon ahead of time. It's not some government bureaucrats that change things or judge subjectively.
Allowing sick people to die for lack of funds to pay for treatment is the Status Quo and, therefore, acceptable. Many believe this should not be tampered with.
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