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Old 05-20-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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I majored in finance, though I only earned a bachelor's degree, but I always thought default, loosely, meant inability to pay interest and principal when due. The dictionary definition of default on dictionary.com is "fail to fulfill an obligation, esp. to repay a loan or to appear in a court of law." I fail to see how not raising the debt ceiling automatically causes default to occur.
We have to pay the interest on our debt. Otherwise we go into default. If we don't raise the debt ceiling, since we are operating at a loss nationally, then we wouldn't be able to pay the interest because our debt ceiling can't be raised.

The only way to keep from going into default without raising the debt ceiling would be to completely slash this years budget, so as the interest on the debt wouldn't exceed the debt ceiling.

I don't even think thats possible without shutting down all US military personnel, stop paying social security and medicare, and literally shut down all federal operations.

Good luck on whether that steak has mad cow.
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Old 05-20-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Of possible interest (to those honestly clueless as to the impact that the failure to raise the debt ceiling will have):

Dimon: U.S. Debt Default Could be 'Catastrophic' - FoxBusiness.com

'Worse crisis' likely if debt ceiling not lifted - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010...etter_0514.pdf

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The full consequences of a default — or even the serious prospect of default — by the United States are impossible to predict and awesome to contemplate. Denigration of the full faith and credit of the United States would have substantial effects on the domestic financial markets and the value of the dollar in exchange markets. The Nation can ill afford to allow such a result. The risks, the costs, the disruptions, and the incalculable damage lead me to but one conclusion: the Senate must pass this legislation before the Congress adjourns.
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Old 05-20-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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The rich could pay their fair share, and we could stop handing checks to billion-dollar corporations. That would be a start...
The rich pay more than their fair share. In fact, the Top 48% of income earners pay 100% of the income taxes. #Fail
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Old 05-20-2011, 12:45 PM
 
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The rich pay more than their fair share. In fact, the Top 48% of income earners pay 100% of the income taxes. #Fail
If you raise taxes on the rich, nothing about this statement changes. The top 48% of income earners pay 100% of the income taxes. The only change, the federal government collects more money and doesn't have to borrow money to operate.
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Old 05-20-2011, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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The rich pay more than their fair share. In fact, the Top 48% of income earners pay 100% of the income taxes. #Fail
I don't know about top 48% but it is easier to find data on top 50%. Then, there are millionaires who don't end up owing income taxes either, while there plenty near the bottom that do. Having said that, let us look at the following numbers:
Adjusted Gross Income of Top 50% (2008) as a percent of total AGI: 87.25%
Income tax share of Top 50% (2008) as a percent of total income tax: 97.30%

AGI for Top 50%: $7.3 Trillion
AGI for Bottom 50%: $1.0 Trillion

Top 50% contributed $1.0 Trillion in income tax, or at an average rate of 13.65%. The bottom 50% contributed only $28 billion, or an average rate of 2.6%.

Now let me ask you... what distribution of income taxes between the top 50 and bottom 50, as far as percentage of income tax share go, would satisfy you? Or, do you think it would be brilliant to just raise the income taxes on the bottom 50% by about 11% so it matches those in the top 50%? Or how about cutting the taxes on the top 50% to match that applies to the bottom 50%, to just 2.6%? That would guarantee another $800B in budget shortfall, perfect recipe that you desire for your ideological ends, eh?
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Old 05-20-2011, 01:17 PM
 
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It would eman that ther governamnt woud have to shift from spending on programs to paying the debt. There is enough money to pay the debt but other thigns would have to go unpaid. SS is not one of them because it comes from one fund only by law.That is why if SS runs short in years ahead there will be automatic acrosssthe broad reductions by law.
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Old 05-20-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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It would eman that ther governamnt woud have to shift from spending on programs to paying the debt. There is enough money to pay the debt but other thigns would have to go unpaid. SS is not one of them because it comes from one fund only by law.That is why if SS runs short in years ahead there will be automatic acrosssthe broad reductions by law.
Do you think our soldiers would get paid in your scenario? The people who work for government contractors would have to be laid off, since those bills wouldn't get paid. What else?
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Old 05-20-2011, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Do you think our soldiers would get paid in your scenario? The people who work for government contractors would have to be laid off, since those bills wouldn't get paid. What else?
Our debt is almost the same level as our national GDP. To pay keep from hitting the debt ceiling we'd have to literally shut down all of the government, all of it. Not one government entity would get money, no government employee would get no money, and anyone drawing social security wouldn't get paid until the next year, because no one would be working to process their payments.

The debt ceiling will be raised, Republicans will not let it expire. There will be a deal.
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Old 05-23-2011, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The rich could pay their fair share, and we could stop handing checks to billion-dollar corporations. That would be a start...
talk about ignorant

the top 10% pays over 60% of the taxes

the top 50% of earners pays over 97% of the taxes

and yes they had out subcities to big corps...but those corps do pay bunches of taxes...our corporate tax is the highest in the world

what washingtonDC needs to do is CUT SPENDING
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Old 05-23-2011, 11:44 AM
 
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If you raise taxes on the rich, nothing about this statement changes. The top 48% of income earners pay 100% of the income taxes. The only change, the federal government collects more money and doesn't have to borrow money to operate.
rubbish, raising taxes does NOT increase revenues to the government, it LOWERS them. the most recent example is new jersy where christie lowered taxes and cut spending, and revenues to the government increased. funny how that works.
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