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And of course he will sit there and take that kind of crap without pointing out that they have been our buffer against the Muslims of the Middle East for over 60 years. I wonder if Obama has anyone to tell him the real truth about all this.
BS. They are the reason why most Muslim nations are pissed at us, right next to our thirst for oil.
Netenyahu’s blustering is to placate his own right-wing and hold his coalition government together. It has little to do with the speech, which essentially reiterated the long-standing US position. Anyone who believes in a two-state solution knows what the general outcome will be: a swap of territory around the 1967 line, with the larger settlements incorporated into Israel in exchange for land elsewhere; no right-of-return of Palestinian refugees to Israel proper; and some shared sovereignty/internationalization of Jerusalem.
Of course, there are those who don’t believe in a two-state solution, but there’s really nothing anyone can say to those people.
That is Israeli problem. Supporting Israel unconditionally (much less a defiant Israel) is our problem and I do not like that. If Israel wants the US to continue an alliance, it has to be honest and respectful. Over the decades, we've been stupid to put too much at stake to work for their interests just so that they are our allies? We did that in Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan too. It is never too late to learn from mistakes in the past. And corrective actions MUST follow.
Obama hasn't insisted, he has merely stated what we're seeing. Now what happens in Egypt is anybody's guess at this time. The future should be up to the people in Egypt, they started it, they ought to devise their way. We should be no more than observers and adopt a policy of encouraging what we believe for ourselves.
Maybe you need to point out how we ever get anyone to trust us as allies if we back out of support for the Israelis. 50 years ago I wondered if we weren't being a bit stupid for the support but in that period of time I have come to think that they are our buffer against the Muslims of the Middle East. They tend to keep the attention of the Arabs so they aren't after us. I may be wrong but I have been watching this thing from its inception and that has been about 63 years.
Obama was so happy when the Egyptians began the Arab Spring and so sure that they were shooting at democracy. However, I think that the Muslim Brotherhood and the military who are running the place managed very well to set up a new dictatorship that will be run by the Brotherhood with the people of Egypt not in any better position.
As for the Arab Spring in Libya, it seems to me that the people of the nation are going to continue to suffer when a new dictatorship is established. People don't just accept democracy as easily as Obama seems to think. I wonder if he actually realizes how much of our democratic system has disappeared the last 2 1/2 years.
I just heard what you say about 1967 from a man on TV and do think you are both right about what was actually said but I still think that the 1967 point is from the Hamas leaders and we all know why they want that.
While thanking Obama for his commitment to peace, Netanyahu said he “expects to hear from President Obama a reconfirmation of commitments to Israel from 2004 that received wide support in both houses of Congress.” This was a reference to a letter from president George W. Bush to prime minister Ariel Sharon that did not call for a return to the 1967 lines, and that recognized that any agreement would take into account the changed realities on the ground – a line interpreted by Israel to mean a recognition that it would hold on to the large settlement blocs.
Netanyahu’s statement also said that the Bush letter made clear that Palestinian refugees would be absorbed in a future Palestinian state, something that was not explicitly mentioned in Obama’s speech.
BS. They are the reason why most Muslim nations are pissed at us, right next to our thirst for oil.
I have to disagree with you for the reason that Muslims hate the US. I think that those who accept the teachings of Islam really think that we must be destroyed the same as Israel but they want to use force against Israel and intend to destroy us from inside, politically. Do you intend to keep on helping them until they come for your head?
I wonder how many of the Muslim nations that Obama promised money to yesterday will be giving any of the money back. None of them are allies but they are tools we try to use against the rest of the Arabs.
The israelis know that they have been used by us to control the Middle East for a long time and therefore consider all our help to be something done in repayment for being a buffer.
Used by us???
So I suppose they had no interest in keeping Israel safe; they were only fighting wars and executing skirmishes because America told them to do it?
Netenyahu’s blustering is to placate his own right-wing and hold his coalition government together. It has little to do with the speech, which essentially reiterated the long-standing US position. Anyone who believes in a two-state solution knows what the general outcome will be: a swap of territory around the 1967 line, with the larger settlements incorporated into Israel in exchange for land elsewhere; no right-of-return of Palestinian refugees to Israel proper; and some shared sovereignty/internationalization of Jerusalem.
Of course, there are those who don’t believe in a two-state solution, but there’s really nothing anyone can say to those people.
I think the two state solution would be very good but we have to get the Muslims who have been running Palestine out of it all before it can happen. Also, I wonder how Hamas can be the ones who settle this thing when they want only to destroy Israel and all its Jews.
As for internationalizing Jerusalem again, I can't handle that. I see the desire to do that as a desire to give easier entry to the rest of Israel to Muslims so am against that happening.
And of course he will sit there and take that kind of crap without pointing out that they have been our buffer against the Muslims of the Middle East for over 60 years. I wonder if Obama has anyone to tell him the real truth about all this.
What are you talking about?
How are they a buffer against the muslims?
Israel is teeny-tiny in land mass compared to the rest of the middle east, which is almost 100% muslim.
And you just chastised someone for 'name-calling'!
I have been told that politicians are fair game while others here are not. I do not intend to always use that name in that I may go back to the 2008 Prince Barack of Hopenchange any day now.
Did he not tell the Republicans after calling for bi-partisanship which to him is his way only, that he had won? Not his exact words but what he said anyway.
Just for the record, what is the real definition of bi-partisan? I don't think it is what the Prince thinks it is. His definition is nothing short of my way or the high way.
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