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Old 05-23-2011, 12:37 AM
 
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Facts about 9/11 time frame...anyone can verify the legitimacy of any of the facts listed...



The World Trade Centers underwent many months of construction renovations on the elevators and in and around the elevator shafts up to the day of 9/11

The elevator shafts are in and around all the vertical support columns

The World Trade Centers even underwent many months of construction renovations on the vertical support columns up to the day of 9/11

The company that did the construction renovations on the World Trade Centers has worked hand and hand with Controlled Demolitions Inc

It even states on the Controlled Demolitions Inc website they do classified controlled demolitions for the U.S. government Defense Dept on sensitive projects both internationally and domestically

Controlled Demolitions Inc helped with the cleanup at ground zero as did the company that did the many months of construction renovations

The company who did the many months of construction renovations on the World Trade Centers up to the day of 9/11 had its CEO appointed by then Pres Bush to the Presidents Commission on White House Fellows

The weekend before the trade centers were destroyed there were complete power downs in the buildings and security was completely off.

There were Israeli Mossad proven to be working in and around the World Trade Centers also

There were Israeli Mossad arrested and on the News during the 9/11 time frame near the World Trade Centers with evidence of explosives and held in jail for months until word came from the top of the pyramid scheme to deport them

Some of the Israeli Mossad arrested near the World Trade Centers with evidence of explosives were proven to be active in the Israeli Military and explosive experts

Again...the company that did many months of construction renovations on the World Trade Centers up to the day of 9/11...along with the complete power downs and security loss the weekend before 9/11....and Israeli Mossad Military explosive experts in and around the World Trade Centers....also The CEO of the construction company doing renovations on the support columns getting appointed by Pres Bush to the Presidents Commission on White House Fellows.......starts to paint a picture how easy it would be to pull it off.

Not to mention...

it was proven the Israeli Mossad were in the U.S and among the terrorists that got on the planes....did they lure the willing terrorists or set the terrorists into the direction to be on the planes to frame them?

It was slipped into the news only a couple months before 9/11 that a Boeing plane was remote operated successfully flying it and landing it without a pilot. This was developed to take over passenger planes by the office of counter terrorism in the event they were hijacked....

Did they remote fly the planes into the World Trade Centers to get world support to obtain one of the most strategic squares on the worlds chessboard?....after the willing terrorists (proven to have active Israeli Mossad among them) were lured or set onto the planes to frame?

There was some type of command bunker built on the 23rd floor of World Trade Center 7 with an office for counter terrorism which was built with its floors, walls, windows etc reinforced making it some type of skybox...

This floor which had the office for counter terrorism had millions spent on it reinforcing the floors walls, windows etc basically making it a tree fort or some type of sky bunker within sight of the Twin Towers.

Was this floor the cockpit for remote operating the planes on 9/11?
Was this floor used to visually see the exact impact points on the Twin Towers to set the sequence for the wireless explosives?

Note: The Pentagon too was undergoing construction renovations in the exact area that was affected on 9/11. The Pentagon just happened to get hit in the only area of the building that was undergoing a construction renovation. The Pentagon just happened to get hit in the only area of the building completed with a project to reinforce it's walls for a possible impact.



During the 9/11 time frame the white house staff began taking Cipro, an anthrax antidote, about a month before 9/11....

During the 9/11 time frame we had an anthrax attack 1 week after 9/11....

Soon after the anthrax scare to influence the masses it began to be released to the media the anthrax had a component in it which would prove it had to of come from Iraq....

The anthrax attack one week after 9/11 would have been a link from the "terrorist sleeper cells" here in the U.S. to the "mobile weapons labs" in Iraq....

A U.S. scientist then proved the anthrax was a weaponized strain that came from a military base right here in the U.S....

A U.S. scientist then "commit suicide"....

Was this another attempt to influence the masses and gain world support to move chess pieces on the world's chessboard?

Again.....interesting fact how just before 9/11 the white house staff began taking Cipro, the anthrax antidote, about a month before 9/11....which also was about a month before the anthrax attack....

Again.....interesting fact how just before 9/11 technology was developed specifically to take over Boeing planes by the office of counter terrorism with remote operation in the event they were hijacked....

Again.....interesting fact how just before 9/11 there was some type of tree fort or sky bunker built on a high floor in World Trade Center Building 7 with an office for counter terrorism which had its floors, walls, windows etc reinforced
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Old 05-23-2011, 12:47 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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The World Trade Centers underwent many months of construction renovations on the elevators and in and around the elevator shafts up to the day of 9/11
done by Otis elevator

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The company that did the construction renovations on the World Trade Centers has worked hand and hand with Controlled Demolitions Inc
e j electric did the fiber optics

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The company who did the many months of construction renovations on the World Trade Centers up to the day of 9/11 had its CEO appointed by then Pres Bush to the Presidents Commission on White House Fellows
false

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The weekend before the trade centers were destroyed there were complete power downs in the buildings and security was completely off.
completely false

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There were Israeli Mossad proven to be working in and around the World Trade Centers also
false



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There were Israeli Mossad proven to be working in and around the World Trade Centers also

There were Israeli Mossad arrested and on the News during the 9/11 time frame near the World Trade Centers with evidence of explosives and held in jail for months until word came from the top of the pyramid scheme to deport them

Some of the Israeli Mossad arrested near the World Trade Centers with evidence of explosives were proven to be active in the Israeli Military and explosive experts

Again...the company that did many months of construction renovations on the World Trade Centers up to the day of 9/11...along with the complete power downs and security loss the weekend before 9/11....and Israeli Mossad Military explosive experts in and around the World Trade Centers....also The CEO of the construction company doing renovations on the support columns getting appointed by Pres Bush to the Presidents Commission on White House Fellows.......starts to paint a picture how easy it would be to pull it off.
false

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During the 9/11 time frame the white house staff began taking Cipro, an anthrax antidote, about a month before 9/11....
false it was AFTER 911

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Again.....interesting fact how just before 9/11 there was some type of tree fort or sky bunker built on a high floor in World Trade Center Building 7 with an office for counter terrorism which had its floors, walls, windows etc reinforced
uhm that was the cities emergency operations center..pushed by dinkins the democrat mayor before guilani
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Old 05-23-2011, 01:00 AM
 
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Just a bunch of logistical reality.
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Old 05-23-2011, 01:10 AM
 
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paging alex jones and his crazies.....
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Old 05-23-2011, 01:21 AM
 
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wow, just when you thought they have gone the way of the do-do, the truther morons just come out of the cracks like slimy cockaroaches

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Originally Posted by IronRanger View Post
Facts about 9/11 time frame...anyone can verify the legitimacy of any of the facts listed...
funny, you don't present facts


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he World Trade Centers underwent many months of construction renovations on the elevators and in and around the elevator shafts up to the day of 9/11
done by Otis. and it's not unusual, since businesses were regularly moving in and out of the building. when you get new businesses, you tend to do refurbishments of whole floors and even the elvators that access those floors (you did know that the wtc towers had elevators that accessed a set of floors right?)

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The elevator shafts are in and around all the vertical support columns
partially right. The main support of the building were the outside frames of the buildings.

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The World Trade Centers even underwent many months of construction renovations on the vertical support columns up to the day of 9/11
Unsupported claim.

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The company that did the construction renovations on the World Trade Centers has worked hand and hand with Controlled Demolitions Inc
Evidence?

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It even states on the Controlled Demolitions Inc website they do classified controlled demolitions for the U.S. government Defense Dept on sensitive projects both internationally and domestically
Irrelavant. Being the major C&D company in the United States, they are pretty much the "go to" guys for any major project that requires a demolition (do realize that most of C&D's business do not use explosives)

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Controlled Demolitions Inc helped with the cleanup at ground zero as did the company that did the many months of construction renovations
Demolitions aren't the only things they know how to do. They also know how to clean up (part of their jobs when do raze buildings). So what do you do? You bring in the experts who know how to clean up messes left by buildings that have collapsed

Again, irrelevant


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The company who did the many months of construction renovations on the World Trade Centers up to the day of 9/11 had its CEO appointed by then Pres Bush to the Presidents Commission on White House Fellows
False

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The weekend before the trade centers were destroyed there were complete power downs in the buildings and security was completely off.
Unsupported. IT was the claim of one man, to a memo that he can't produce evidence of. Whereas there are many people who have claimed that they were in the buildings up until the day before that didn't report any power downs. In fact a party was held at ground level on the Sunday before, and no one at the party reported such an event.


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There were Israeli Mossad proven to be working in and around the World Trade Centers also
False.

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There were Israeli Mossad arrested and on the News during the 9/11 time frame near the World Trade Centers with evidence of explosives and held in jail for months until word came from the top of the pyramid scheme to deport them
False.

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Some of the Israeli Mossad arrested near the World Trade Centers with evidence of explosives were proven to be active in the Israeli Military and explosive experts
False.

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Again...the company that did many months of construction renovations on the World Trade Centers up to the day of 9/11...along with the complete power downs and security loss the weekend before 9/11....and Israeli Mossad Military explosive experts in and around the World Trade Centers....also The CEO of the construction company doing renovations on the support columns getting appointed by Pres Bush to the Presidents Commission on White House Fellows.......starts to paint a picture how easy it would be to pull it off.
Complete bull.

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Not to mention...
that you've posted nothing but bull ??

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it was proven the Israeli Mossad were in the U.S and among the terrorists that got on the planes....did they lure the willing terrorists or set the terrorists into the direction to be on the planes to frame them?
Completely and utterly bull. All terrorists were Saudi Arabians with ties to Al Quaeda.

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It was slipped into the news only a couple months before 9/11 that a Boeing plane was remote operated successfully flying it and landing it without a pilot. This was developed to take over passenger planes by the office of counter terrorism in the event they were hijacked....
FALSE

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Did they remote fly the planes into the World Trade Centers to get world support to obtain one of the most strategic squares on the worlds chessboard?....after the willing terrorists (proven to have active Israeli Mossad among them) were lured or set onto the planes to frame?
No.

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There was some type of command bunker built on the 23rd floor of World Trade Center 7 with an office for counter terrorism which was built with its floors, walls, windows etc reinforced making it some type of skybox...
FALSE

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This floor which had the office for counter terrorism had millions spent on it reinforcing the floors walls, windows etc basically making it a tree fort or some type of sky bunker within sight of the Twin Towers.
False

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Was this floor the cockpit for remote operating the planes on 9/11?
No

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Was this floor used to visually see the exact impact points on the Twin Towers to set the sequence for the wireless explosives?
No and false

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Note: The Pentagon too was undergoing construction renovations in the exact area that was affected on 9/11. The Pentagon just happened to get hit in the only area of the building that was undergoing a construction renovation. The Pentagon just happened to get hit in the only area of the building completed with a project to reinforce it's walls for a possible impact.
So what?

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During the 9/11 time frame the white house staff began taking Cipro, an anthrax antidote, about a month before 9/11....
That was after 9/11/2001.

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During the 9/11 time frame we had an anthrax attack 1 week after 9/11....
So what? It also happened in 2007. They though it was due to Al Quaeda but quickly realized that it was Bruce Ivins who was responsible for the attacks (however, he committed suicide before he was brought to trial).

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Soon after the anthrax scare to influence the masses it began to be released to the media the anthrax had a component in it which would prove it had to of come from Iraq....
Actually it didn't. The samples unfortunately were destroyed as a result of testing them. They found no markers. The FBI only assumed it came from Iraq and a mistatement by McCain, based on bentonite was traced to Iraq turned out to be false.

So, false again.

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The anthrax attack one week after 9/11 would have been a link from the "terrorist sleeper cells" here in the U.S. to the "mobile weapons labs" in Iraq....
false


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A U.S. scientist then proved the anthrax was a weaponized strain that came from a military base right here in the U.S....
false .. you're flp flopping. first you say it was traced to Iraq and now you say its from the US. can't be both (this is why lying is not a good thing to do)
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A U.S. scientist then "commit suicide"....
Irvins was under investigation for his role in the attacks; to save face, he killed himself. However, nothing was linked to him (because you can't trace it to an individual, only to a strain).

so whatever you're trying to allude, you are failing.



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Was this another attempt to influence the masses and gain world support to move chess pieces on the world's chessboard?
no. the anthrax attack was nearly forgotten by the end of 2002, and only renewed interest in it when in 2007 it happened again. No influence, since we were already at war.


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Again.....interesting fact how just before 9/11 the white house staff began taking Cipro, the anthrax antidote, about a month before 9/11....which also was about a month before the anthrax attack....
you do know that its already a part of their job description? They've been taking antidotes and Cirpo since before 9/11. Anthrax attacks are nothing new.

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Again.....interesting fact how just before 9/11 technology was developed specifically to take over Boeing planes by the office of counter terrorism with remote operation in the event they were hijacked....
Since the technology doesn't exist today, you better offer evidence that it existed 10 years ago...

Ooops thought so... you don't have any evidence.


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Again.....interesting fact how just before 9/11 there was some type of tree fort or sky bunker built on a high floor in World Trade Center Building 7 with an office for counter terrorism which had its floors, walls, windows etc reinforced
False.



wow, now that we destroyed you false OP, you can scurry along back into your mother's basement.
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Old 05-23-2011, 01:21 AM
 
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I didn't see if it made your list or not:

Six months before the 9/11 attacks the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion. "This is a dream come true," Larry Silverstein said. "We will be in control of a prized asset, and we will seek to develop its potential, raising it to new heights."
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Old 05-23-2011, 01:22 AM
 
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These are all indisputable facts in which anyone can verify..
Yet you don't link to these "facts"
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I encourage anyone to see for and look up these facts for themselves without listening to a kneejerk defender of the "official story" for the event...
You may want to lay off the kool aid...
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Old 05-23-2011, 06:19 AM
 
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It's funny that 9/11 truthers always talk about their supposed "undisputed facts". After hearing so much noise from the truthers I decided to look into the whole mess myself. I decided at the outset to be completely objective and go wherever the evidence led me. I have to admit that some of their claims really got me to question the official story. However, upon further investigation and due diligence I found every single truther claim to be either an exaggeration or an outright falsehood. Truthers just repeat the same unverified "facts" over and over again.

Truthers can't even get basic facts central to their mythology right. Case in point: I can't tell you how many truthers I've heard say that the towers fell at free fall speed in roughly 9 seconds. I decided to pull up some YouTube videos of the collapse to verify this. I timed both the north and south tower collapses with a stopwatch and they both took about 15 seconds -an inconvenient truth that actually supports the official pancake theory.

It was the same with every single claim. Once I took the time to verify rather than just mindlessly repeat what I had heard or read it proved to be false.

I don't have anything against the truthers. I think that it's healthy and vital to the cause of freedom for people to question those in power. I think that truthers mean well, but they seem to have given in to hysteria and are totally caught up in their own psychodramas.
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Old 05-23-2011, 08:18 AM
 
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First of all, there is no "s" at the end of World Trade Center. Thanks.

Secondly, it's bizarre that someone is referring to "THE" firm that did construction renovations at the WTC. There was always construction going on--mainly tenant alteration work. Many active contracts with different contractors. The elevator rehab was, of course, a big project in the towers themselves.

Now, let's do a little thinking here. Do you really suppose that in an office complex with higher-than-normal security, one that has been the target of Middle Eastern terrorism since the 1980's, a building that has been bombed before and which has spent millions more on security upgrades, that has received threats specifically about sabotage, contractor personnel would just be allowed to stroll in without having their backgrounds checked, and without equipment and tools and materials being looked at before they were released to go up the freight elevator?

And do you think the contractor is just allowed to go off and work on its own without a representative of the owner monitoring the work, recording the materials and equipment and tools used each day, and writing a narrative at the end of each day recording exactly what was done after his or her inspection?

Then there's the question of why, if explosives were somehow placed in the elevator shafts, they didn't go off when the burning jet fuel shot down many of them at impact, dropping elevators full of burning, screaming people.
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Old 05-23-2011, 08:21 AM
 
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I didn't see if it made your list or not:

Six months before the 9/11 attacks the World Trade Center was "privatized" by being leased to a private sector developer. The lease was purchased by the Silverstein Group for $3.2 billion. "This is a dream come true," Larry Silverstein said. "We will be in control of a prized asset, and we will seek to develop its potential, raising it to new heights."
And your point would be...?

Silverstein signed the lease in July, 2001, not six months before. Six months before, the deal was supposed to be with Vornado, but they couldn't come to terms, and SPI was the next bidder.

He lost money big-time on that deal, contrary to what the truthers like to put on their sites. Anyone in the NYC area with the faintest interest in the city's commercial real estate or the construction at the WTC knows that.
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