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Old 05-25-2011, 09:25 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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Nope, actually Greco-Roman Civilization began the Western world. Hence why we modeled so much of our government after them.
Fiyero, you make an interesting point!

Question: Is that why nearly all the government buildings and monuments in Washington, DC look like Greek and Roman temples?

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Old 05-25-2011, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Imaginary Figment
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We have strayed further and further away from strong family values that hold our communities together.
Prove it, give hard facts.
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Old 05-25-2011, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Boise
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christianity is nonsense, the structure of what the founding fathers created is not... so lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater, but when the bathwater is dirty.. it's time to change it.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:29 AM
 
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I would be glad to try again..............
Church of England: Facts, Discussion Forum, and Encyclopedia Article
The Church of England understands itself to be both Catholic and Reformed

The only thing that changed was Henry VIII was in charge and not the Pope. Same beliefs different, spokes person..........Next
The only thing that changed???? LOL. YOU are hilarious. And misinformed.
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Old 05-26-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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Fiyero, you make an interesting point!

Question: Is that why nearly all the government buildings and monuments in Washington, DC look like Greek and Roman temples?

Yes. Greco Roman society had such an influence on the Western world (and we trace our history back to it), l'Enfant designed DC to model Roman and Greek society. The Supreme Court building for example is designed like a Roman Temple, and specifically made the facade out of marble based on Augustus' decree that he'd turn Rome from brick into marble. Even the wheel spoke layout of the city, from the Capital Building to the Washington Monument and Lincoln memorial is based on Roman fora layout.
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Old 05-27-2011, 08:42 AM
 
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The only thing that changed???? LOL. YOU are hilarious. And misinformed.
So, since you find yourself "SO INFORMED" you tell me exactly what was different.

Henry didn't like the Pope's idea of no divorce. They follow the Catholic Doctrine, what changed?? That people where able to divorce?

His Church was started for his own reasons,not for God!!

Maybe, this is what you find a great change, for such a Christian man............
To keep his power, Henry did many things. One of the things that he did was to keep everybody in England so that they could never escape from his power; nobody was allowed to leave the country. If an escape had been attempted, that person would be executed.
Another thing that he did to people who disagreed with his rules and regulations was to give them a bad name. With that bad name they wouldn't be able to find a job and earn any money to live.

Henry was also very cruel to people who were ranked below him. Beggars and vagabonds were put in stocks and often had their ears cut off if they ever did anything to displease Henry.

He was able to marry and divorce whomever he wanted and it shows because of all the wives he had and how they died.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:23 AM
 
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So, since you find yourself "SO INFORMED" you tell me exactly what was different.

Henry didn't like the Pope's idea of no divorce. They follow the Catholic Doctrine, what changed?? That people where able to divorce?

His Church was started for his own reasons,not for God!!

Maybe, this is what you find a great change, for such a Christian man............
To keep his power, Henry did many things. One of the things that he did was to keep everybody in England so that they could never escape from his power; nobody was allowed to leave the country. If an escape had been attempted, that person would be executed.
Another thing that he did to people who disagreed with his rules and regulations was to give them a bad name. With that bad name they wouldn't be able to find a job and earn any money to live.

Henry was also very cruel to people who were ranked below him. Beggars and vagabonds were put in stocks and often had their ears cut off if they ever did anything to displease Henry.

He was able to marry and divorce whomever he wanted and it shows because of all the wives he had and how they died.
A lot changed. Anglicans do not pray to saints, although they hold them in high esteem as examples of well-lived lives. They use the Book of Common Prayer for services ("services must be conducted in a language plainly understood by the people") as a backlash against the former Catholic practice of holding the mass in Latin where mostly only priests could interpret what was going on. Anglicans do not uphold the doctrine of transubstantiation, but if a church member wants to believe that, they are free to do so.

No, Henry wasn't the bastion of piety in his own life, but he was a well-learned theologian who used religion to make it work for him politically. The Anglican church was more refined and estalished closer to what it is today by his daughter Elizabeth, however.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:28 AM
 
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Sarah Palin: American Law Should Be 'Based On The God Of The Bible And The Ten Commandments'



She may have a point.

America could do worse than to go back to an age of morality and prudence.

We have strayed further and further away from strong family values that hold our communities together.

The family that prays together...stays together.
Ummm... the first people to move over here were the fundamentalist. If anyone was going to create a theocracy it would have been them, they tried.

It didn't work for the same reasons it never works, it doesn't allow for diversity.

But to take the other side and say absolutely nothing religious can have anything to do with the state is just as ridiculous as asking people to leave their color, heritage, culture, family values.. etc at home when they vote.
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Old 05-27-2011, 09:31 AM
 
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The only thing that changed???? LOL. YOU are hilarious. And misinformed.
The link itself that the poster provided outlines the changes.
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Old 05-30-2011, 11:04 AM
 
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No, Henry wasn't the bastion of piety in his own life, but he was a well-learned theologian who used religion to make it work for him politically. The Anglican church was more refined and estalished closer to what it is today by his daughter Elizabeth, however.
Some would say Queen Elizabeth didn't carry out the Church for God either.

Essentially, the Church of England is "Catholic", but with a different head, the reigning monarch of England. By not accepting the authority of the pope, it must be considered "Protestant", but many of its doctrines and practices are nearly indistinguishable from Catholicism. There are some who refer to it as "the Third Way".

He used religion..............guess alls fair in "Love and War", or in Henry's case "Divorce and Murder".

We the people should never let religion be used for the purpose of "ONE MAN".

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The link itself that the poster provided outlines the changes.
What it showed as some were disputing..........Henry was Catholic and the Church of England's teachings were Catholic. He wasn't out to destroy the teaching of Catholic's, just their wealth and his own desire for a divorce.

Martin Luther didn't see the Church of England reformed enough. If you read you will see Martin Luther's motives were purely for God.

Isn't this the same as "Cherry Picking the Bible". Henry took what he wanted from the Catholic Church and changed what he didn't like. The "Common Prayer Book" was still only available for the rich and those that could read. Again keeping the word from the common people.
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