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View Poll Results: Do you support major cuts to Social Security and Medicare?
Yes and I lean right 13 27.08%
No and I lean right 8 16.67%
Yes and I lean left 4 8.33%
No and I lean left 23 47.92%
Voters: 48. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-24-2011, 02:34 PM
 
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People should have an option to opt out of these programs and not have their taxes deducted to fund these programs. For the money that is taken out of our paycheckes we could do a much better job of investing it and see a better return. If we were allowed to put some of that return into medical savings accounts (tax free) we would do far better than those people on medicare.
Nope. I'm not going to pay for freeloaders when their money runs out because of their stupidity. This is a basic safety net program that keeps elderly off street corners begging for food.
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Old 05-24-2011, 02:48 PM
 
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Should Social Security and Medicare be cut?

he** no...
Sorry to have to break the news to you, but Medicare has already been cut. Obamacare cuts $500 billion out of Medicare over the next 10 years.
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Old 05-24-2011, 02:49 PM
 
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Sorry to have to break the news to you, but Medicare has already been cut. Obamacare cuts $500 billion out of Medicare over the next 10 years.
Sorry, you're referring to "Medicare Advantage" which was a rip off to seniors and taxpayers. Good riddance.
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:03 PM
 
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Sorry, you're referring to "Medicare Advantage" which was a rip off to seniors and taxpayers. Good riddance.
Cutting Medicare Advantage (whatever you may think of it--millions of seniors seem to prefer it to standard Medicare) is only a small part of the proposed cuts. The bigger part is cutting reimbursement to doctors and hospitals, thereby ensuring that fewer seniors will be able to find doctors willing to treat them.
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:04 PM
 
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Cutting Medicare Advantage (whatever you may think of it--millions of seniors seem to prefer it to standard Medicare) is only a small part of the proposed cuts. The bigger part is cutting reimbursement to doctors and hospitals, thereby ensuring that fewer seniors will be able to find doctors willing to treat them.
But that didn't happen under the Obama's health care bill. Cuts were coming already under existing law in place under Bush and Clinton in effect since 1997.
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:05 PM
 
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No people paid into these programs. Instead we should cut Medicaid, welfare, etc.
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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Should Social Security and Medicare be cut?
Depends greatly on what you mean by "cut".

I want the retirement age for both programs to be raised, and adjusted with the every average life expectancy every three years.

That would make both programs funded, practical, and safe for many decades to come in the least, probably fix them for life.

But completely changing the programs, giving the option for an "opt out" just won't work. Everyone that opts out will be old and sick one day. They will demand healthcare, and we'll give it to them, and then everyone then will pay for it, instead of that person paying a portion throughout their working life.

And if they are hungry, or need a home, we'll give them that too.

Social security and medicare already do this, and keep everyone paying in a little bit. Just adjust when your benefits start, no big deal.
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:24 PM
 
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Depends greatly on what you mean by "cut".

I want the retirement age for both programs to be raised, and adjusted with the every average life expectancy every three years.

That would make both programs funded, practical, and safe for many decades to come in the least, probably fix them for life.

But completely changing the programs, giving the option for an "opt out" just won't work. Everyone that opts out will be old and sick one day. They will demand healthcare, and we'll give it to them, and then everyone then will pay for it, instead of that person paying a portion throughout their working life.

And if they are hungry, or need a home, we'll give them that too.

Social security and medicare already do this, and keep everyone paying in a little bit. Just adjust when your benefits start, no big deal.
Cool. So when you lose your job at 58 after decades of hard work...you can just suck it for another 10 years in the soup line...LOL

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/20...e-out-of-work/

Right wingers are too macho and too loyal to the ultra rich and military in this country to ever thing about them having to sacrifice a little more.

They'll just make it harder on all the old lazy workers ants who don't deserve a stable life after working for 50 years.
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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the budget is 3.7 trillion...our revenue (thats from ALL sources) is 2.1 trillion...thats a budget deficit of 1.6 trillion
The revenue shouldn't be $2.1 Trillion right now. It should be a LOT more than that, as it should have been every year since it was $2.1T last time around (2000). Tax cuts ARE a problem. Spending? Yes, that is a problem too. Let tax cuts expire and cut spending... the only logical steps towards working for a solution in the longer term. Anything else is simply playing political games.
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Old 05-24-2011, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Austin
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There should be a means test for SS.

No. There should be a "how much did you pay in" test.

SS is a user funded retirement plan. It is not a wealth redistribution plan.
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