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As an Asian, I can't do anything but support integration even though I do see the issues with forced bussing. I went to school with Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, and other Asians. Italians, Chinese, Irish, Poles, Russians, and Puerto Ricans. Jocks, Artsy types, nerds, and all around jerks. Catholics(mostly), Protestants, Atheists/Agnostics, Muslims, Jews, Jains, and Hindus such as myself. Diversity is a part of the American experience imo.
Diversity has nothing to do with the American experience.
Historically this country wasn't supposed to be diverse. It was basically homogeneous until hard physical labor was necessary to carve out a path for exploration and industry.
When people say that this country is made of immigrants, and like to champion "diversity" it's really just a mantra that the left wing progressives have been repeating for the past 40 years. 50 years ago this country looked much different.
Diversity wasn't in the plan 50 years ago and earlier.
Only because of forced immigration not INTEGRATION has this country become diverse.
People really need to stop living on cloud 9 reciting "catch phrases" about diversity and integration (melting pot, diversity, forced integration, nation of immigrants) and peel back layers of the onion to reveal what is really at the core.
In my view, being anti-racist and being racist both restricts the freedom of one group over another. There's never going to be a satisfied party, but I take the view that government forced equality is not the answer. Where did Jim Crow come about? The government. Who permitted racism before? The government. The government is the problem, not the solution.
As for forced busing, I take the view that there shouldn't be school districts at all, and that everyone be given vouchers to send the kids to the school of their choice. We live in a society where racially segregated schools and businesses will fail anyway.
You know, I used to think you were a somewhat reasonable person. But you thinking I agree with him just earned you a spot on my ignore list.
Yes, the government is the problem and that's why people who adhere to the ideology of race must be corrected. Because, after all, government of the people, by the people, for the people....
I don't think thebrainwashed is a reasonable person.
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Yes, the government is the problem and that's why people who adhere to the ideology of race must be corrected. Because, after all, government of the people, by the people, for the people....
Must be corrected? How so? By force of law?
I don't think you seem to understand what I'm saying. Hence why you think I'm unreasonable.
Why were the races kept separate in the South? BECAUSE GOVERNMENT ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN. If government didn't legalize it, then there wouldn't have been as widespread institutional racism as there was. The North wasn't as segregated as the South, because attitudes were different. It's like that today. No business will dare say they only cater to whites because that place will fall into bankruptcy. If thinking like that is being racist and unreasonable, then I can't help you
In my view, being anti-racist and being racist both restricts the freedom of one group over another. There's never going to be a satisfied party, but I take the view that government forced equality is not the answer. Where did Jim Crow come about? The government. Who permitted racism before? The government. The government is the problem, not the solution.
As for forced busing, I take the view that there shouldn't be school districts at all, and that everyone be given vouchers to send the kids to the school of their choice. We live in a society where racially segregated schools and businesses will fail anyway.
You know, I used to think you were a somewhat reasonable person. But you thinking I agree with him just earned you a spot on my ignore list.
I never said the USA has not been a racist country in the past. And I can only speak for myself.
But I can also say that whites are waking up; whites are starting to push back just a little bit, and that the next few years will be most interesting.
Good luck with your studies.
FEAR. People self-segregate because of fear. And that's terribly sad. The world is full of wonders, it's a grand place to explore. Those who choose to put up walls, like yourself, are letting fear deprive them of the glorious adventure of life.
As a white person, your assertion that "whites are waking up", is garbage. You're the one who lives in a nightmare, sadly, a nightmare of your own choosing, because you prefer to be with "your own kind." There's no such thing, "your own kind", it's just a euphemism for "I don't want to be challenged, I don't want to be outside my comfort zone, I don't want to explore or learn or grow."
Wow...I didn't think that people even thought like that anymore. I don't think bussing for the sake of diversity is a good answer but I think the sooner that people stop thinking about seperation and focus on everyone moving forward no matter what size, shape or color you are the faster this world will become a better place to live.
You actually make a few valid points, if only by implication. The end of Jim Crow did not bring perfect harmony to the races in America. Residual tensions remain to the point that many prefer their own whether they admit it or not.But come on. Jim Crow was steeped in immorality and ignoble goals. Blacks were captured, brought here, put in bondage, bred for labor, abused, raped, and treated like animals. Freedom meant dealing with state-sanctioned second-class (or worse) treatment. That is not our destiny as a nation. We had to break the lineage of abuse. No doubt it has not been pretty at times. But it has not been all bad. It may take centuries, but I would rather that time be spent trying rather than with someone like Orville Faubus telling me I cannot eat at the same counter as a black person.
I agree Jim Crow was riddled with petty cruelties, uneccessarily harsh rules, and gave the baser sort of white person an undeserved authority and prestige. But for all its imperfections, I believe it was a better solution to the problem of the presence in our society of 30 million plus blacks who are siginificantly different from whites intellectually and behaviourally. I do not believe it was deliberately "steeped in immorality and ignoble goals."
At least, under Jim Crow, we did not have an undeclared but very real black race war against whites. We didn't have 30,000 rapes of white women by blacks every year. We didn't have black flash mobs roaming through our cities beating up whites (and other ethnic groups as well). We did not have a black murder rate 7X the white rate.
However, I do not advocate a return to Jim Crow.
I am afraid blacks will always, to some extent, be wards of the state because of their intellectual and behavioural limitations.(I.e., an average IQ of 85 vs a white average of 100, and the violent behavior cited above.) We have already spent an enormous amount of money trying to "make blacks equal." The ones who can be equal have pretty much done it already.
I'm resigned to a large portion of my taxes going to support blacks. But I'm not going to sit by and let my own people be harmed in the process. I'm going to oppose affirmative action. I'm going to oppose mass non-white immigration. I'm going to support freedom of association for all people, including white people. If you want to associate with, marry, or otherwise be with blacks, fine. But those of us who don't want to, demand the same right to choose.
Yes. I don't care if it's directed at me, or anyone else. It's their right to say racist things, and it's one of those things that the 1st Amendment was designed for. Let's be real. Polite speech doesn't need protecting does it? No, it's speech that offends others that does
Yes, they have the right to say racist things. And others have the right to challenge those racist remarks. Challenging their racism isn't oppression, it's just as much an exercise of free speech as their fear-fueled remarks are. And more importantly, they are the ones endorsing segregation, a strategy of limiting freedom, not expanding it.
So I see that when the segregationists and those adhering to racialist ideologies hear a conflicting opinion, they put people on their ignore list. So I guess I can conclude that they don't want to hear reasonable criticism that doesn't fit into their worldview???
If they keep this up...well...I think I'm going to CRY!!!!
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FEAR. People self-segregate because of fear. And that's terribly sad. The world is full of wonders, it's a grand place to explore. Those who choose to put up walls, like yourself, are letting fear deprive them of the glorious adventure of life.
As a white person, your assertion that "whites are waking up", is garbage. You're the one who lives in a nightmare, sadly, a nightmare of your own choosing, because you prefer to be with "your own kind." There's no such thing, "your own kind", it's just a euphemism for "I don't want to be challenged, I don't want to be outside my comfort zone, I don't want to explore or learn or grow."
Very sad, indeed.
Yes, his idea that "whites are waking up" is garbage! Not all whites, of course, but for most whites, they never went to sleep!
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