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Most agree that it has virtually no chance of passing, but the House is expected to vote Thursday on an amendment pushed by Reps. Jason Chaffetz (R – UT) and Peter Welch (D – VT). The amendment would demand that President Obama end the war in Afghanistan.
it may or may not pass, but at least somebody is trying to stop the insanity.
Maybe those opposing it will win themselves some kind of piece prize.
it looks like the libya event is going to be a long one:
Libyan opposition to open office in Washington: U.S. diplomat
BENGHAZI, Libya, May 24 (Xinhua) -- The visiting U.S. assistant secretary of state Jeffery Feltman on Tuesday said that at the invitation of U.S. president Barack Obama, the Libyan opposition will establish a representative office in Washington.
It's not being done because of an expectation of the LENGTH of the war. It's being done with the expectation of eventual RECOGNITION of the opposition as the LEGITIMATE government of Libya.
Originally Posted by BentBow
It all adds up in the evidence for the people themselves, to impeach Obama, come Nov. 2012
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Originally Posted by burdell
BULL! The whiners may talk a good show but when it comes to action?
FEH!
IF he's guilty of an impeachable offense as many have claimed, DO IT!
Otherwise, we can only take it as the baseless, whiny blather it appears to be.
Says a lot about the right that they apparently believe lying about an affair that shouldn't even have been questioned is more serious than allegedly going to war illegally.
We heard a lot of that in October of 2010, didn't we?
How did that work out for you in November, 2010?
I mean, if that Cameron feller is so hot on this war........well, time to crank up the draft in Merry Ole England. The USA is broke and already involved in 2......erm....3 dumb wars.
Obama is a war monger for the global elite and the far left defends that for Obama when they attacked Bush for it. Hypocritical much lefties?
It seems to me that YOU sounded quite a bit like a "war monger" when you made THIS post a bit over a year ago:
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Originally Posted by lifelongMOgal
We are not accomplishing much of anything by treating this as a "law enforcement issue".
Our soldiers and their mission have been compromised and hog-tied by politically correct rules of engagement. If we actually fought this as though we were fighting a war and turned this part of the 3rd world into a glass factory, these cockroaches of Muslim Jihad would not be chanting for Shariah law on the streets of New York within a block or two of "ground zero".
Take of the restraints of politically correctness in warfare, in our use of weapons, rules of engagement, and language and watch the tide turn against these terrorist organizations quite quickly.
Had we fought against the Japanese and against Hitler's German forces in WWII as we are fighting in the Middle East now we would have lost WWII.
You have no problem with turning "this part of the 3rd world into a glass factory" but you consider a "war" with NO US CASUALTIES and LIMITED US INVOLVEMENT being "war mongering"?
What was that you were saying about "Hypocritical"?
Ken
PS: BTW, it appears that perhaps support for the action in Libya is SPLIT but not necessarily along party lines:
As the United States and NATO allies continue to launch airstrikes in Libya, a University of Iowa Hawkeye Poll released today suggests that Americans are split on support for the intervention, but that the divide does not fall along party lines.
If that's what you think, then you would probably be wrong. I think most Americans know and support, what the US and NATO is doing in Libya.
I will suggest that you read Rasmussen Reports Tuesday as they will surely have some repots about how many Americans want Libya to keep going. I know that they don't get the same numbers Kos does but then maybe they are right.
If that's what you think, then you would probably be wrong. I think most Americans know and support, what the US and NATO is doing in Libya.
Actually, the polls are clear that most Americans want cuts to the endless war-mongering, rather than cutting programs like Social Security and Medicare even more: "Recent polls have shown that the U.S. public overwhelmingly favors cutting defense spending as a means of reducing the federal budget deficit." DOD, Congress at odds over defense budget cuts -- Defense Systems
It should be 100% in favor of simply stopping the endless war idiocy, but some actually BELIEVE politicians who spout platitudes like "Winning hearts and minds" and "Saving citizens from their evil governments" and "Fighting Terrorism." Too bad said these very young/liberal/naive people can't be a fly on the wall as politicians trade our tax dollars to the Military-Industrial giants in return for campaign contributions. I guarantee at those meetings, both politician and Halliburton fatcat laugh at how easy it is to manipulate the trusting masses.
What do American taxpayers get in return for the trillions of dollars, and prime young American lives, lost to endless wars in places most of us never heard of? Do we now have the end of terrorism? No, terrorists hate us more because we continue to flaunt our arrogance and intervene everywhere without even giving a reason. Do we gain oil or economic assets? No, we pay for everything, but God forbid we take anything back to offset our costs. Do we protect world commerce and the flow of oil? I guess we provide free policing for the nations that are economically booming, but we certainly don't have any reliable or well-priced oil supplies. Do we "win hearts and minds" in these foreign lands? No, foreigners remember the bombing and killing rather than what suckers we are for throwing tons of money around.
I could get into the size and power of government after endless war-making, government debt that now forces total dollar devaluation and zero interest rates, and economy now dying after Free Trade wiped out our Middle Class, but that's another subject. Suffice to say we couldn't keep up waging endless wars even if we thought that was a good idea, since we're bankrupt and the economy can't recover under the regulatory and tax burden imposed by a gigantic militaristic federal power.
This nation has wasted well over a trillion (tax) dollars on countless wars in my lifetime, and by every single criteria (dependence on foreign oil, for instance) we are in FAR worse shape than ever before. Nothing has even gotten the slightest bit better, let alone solve a single problem we face as a nation. We could have actually fixed our infrastructure, or built a functional productive base for the economy, or even NOT robbed working people of that $1 trlllion plus and allowed it to spur a functional economy to rise after the Free Trade devastation.
The only thing Americans get in return for huge amounts of tax dollars sent to Washington for wars is a super-rich, bloated and wasteful Military-Industrial complex, a sick government that thinks mass murder is great because it makes cash flow to all the corrupt scum in Washington, loads of politicians feeling like big shots throwing away $$$ trillions overseas (dollars that you and I have to earn in miserable, stressful jobs that consume 99% of our lives), and of course the horrendous social costs of hundreds of thousands of young Americans returning from unwinnable wars maimed and psychologically tortured.
I cannot believe most Americans support endless waging of pointless and incredibly expensive multiple foreign wars, now that our federal debt is threatening to collapse the entire financial system, and the Baby Boom is retiring to face (1) collapse of their housing equity; (2) wholesale losses and voiding of pensions; (3) devaluation of their savings dollars; (4) no safe investments that can even keep up with inflation losses; (5) total theft of the
$2.5 trillion dollar Social Security Trust Fund with a dying economy that cannot afford to pay future benefits; (6) continuing skyrocketing of health care and insurance costs along with shifting of costs to employees/retirees; etc., etc.
When the choice we face is continuing the idiotic wars and accepting large numbers of Baby Boomers (parents and grandfathers) starving on the streets and dying for lack of expensive health care--versus simply STOPPING the pointless wars, I cannot imagine a single sane person would choose to continue the war foolishness.
Nations hardly ever get to make a choice this easy.
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