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There seems to be a universal sentiment among liberals that no entitlements should be cut, despite our debt and deficit problems. In fact nearly every liberal is emphatic that medicare, social security, and medicaid should not be cut at all and simply blame George Bush for fiscal problems. Blame- but no answers.
Should we just keep all entitlements the way they are and let anarchy eventualy unfold? Keep in mind that we could balance the budget if we taxed the rich at 100% (slavery) and we cut the military 100%, which some liberals have actually suggested.
Any solutions, or just blame?
You repubs ever stop whining?
You realize its going to cost you the next election as the majority of Americans view the right as a bunch of whack jobs and whiners,just skim through the "Politics and other controversies" section to get a view of yourselves,seems to be topic after topic of rightwing whining/Obama bashing,devoid of serious content but very entertaining stuff on par with aliens landing and the whereabouts of Elvis..
I'm amazed theres any sky left to fall
- End the Bush tax cuts, which haven't done a thing to create jobs like was promised.
Yet the president wouldn't touch that with a ten foot pole when it came down to the rubber/road. You and I both know why that is...
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Originally Posted by MaseMan
- Cut the defense budget. We grossly outspend every other country in the world. Plus, we can bring our troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan (though Obama is already doing this).
Okay, but 5.8% of the Federal budget isn't "grossly outspend" unless you apply that same logic to our welfare state. Deal?
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Originally Posted by MaseMan
- Some entitlement reform is likely needed, but we don't need to gut the programs as some Republicans want.
Kick the can down the road, the democratic mantra.
Last edited by BigJon3475; 05-26-2011 at 07:24 AM..
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There seems to be a universal sentiment among liberals that no entitlements should be cut, despite our debt and deficit problems. In fact nearly every liberal is emphatic that medicare, social security, and medicaid should not be cut at all and simply blame George Bush for fiscal problems. Blame- but no answers.
Should we just keep all entitlements the way they are and let anarchy eventualy unfold? Keep in mind that we could balance the budget if we taxed the rich at 100% (slavery) and we cut the military 100%, which some liberals have actually suggested.
Any solutions, or just blame?
First i'd rephrase the question. Saying "liberals! liberals!" over and over comes across very trailer park/hillbilly ignorant republican like.
Otherwise the democrats, independent and libertarian all agree to make real cuts to the pork just like anyone who has basic economic skills knows, and the two biggest pork barrel spending projects the country has is the military and the tax cuts for the rich.
It was proposed to restore the tax rates to the wildly successful Clinton plan but the right refused. A massive compromise to extend the tax cuts to everyone making a million a year or under was proposed and the right still shot it down. (though the overwhelming number of americans supported the compromise plan)
Then the "lets make cuts" plan put out by the republicans offered no real cuts and the dems, independent and libertarian wanted cuts to the bloated military, the right refused. (even though most americans think there needs to be)
Now recently the same sane people tried to slash 21 billion in corporate welfare handouts to big oil and you guessed it, the right shot it down. (again against the wishes of the american people who overwhelmingly think handouts to big oil should be cut)
Everyone but the right are on board to make real cuts. All the right and tea party are proposing is to make minor cuts to essential services that will do little to help the deficit while hurting many people. It's pretty obvious the democrats, independent and libertarian are in unison with sanity and the american people to bring the big cuts we need while the right doesn't give a damn about balancing the budget, creating jobs or cutting spending. All they care about is bankrolling the snot out of their corporate masters, while attempting to take from the poor and middle class to pay for it.
You repubs ever stop whining?
You realize its going to cost you the next election as the majority of Americans view the right as a bunch of whack jobs and whiners,just skim through the "Politics and other controversies" section to get a view of yourselves,seems to be topic after topic of rightwing whining/Obama bashing,devoid of serious content but very entertaining stuff on par with aliens landing and the whereabouts of Elvis..
I'm amazed theres any sky left to fall
And how do you think they view you after that post?
There seems to be a universal sentiment among liberals that no entitlements should be cut, despite our debt and deficit problems. In fact nearly every liberal is emphatic that medicare, social security, and medicaid should not be cut at all and simply blame George Bush for fiscal problems. Blame- but no answers.
Should we just keep all entitlements the way they are and let anarchy eventually unfold? Keep in mind that we could balance the budget if we taxed the rich at 100% (slavery) and we cut the military 100%, which some liberals have actually suggested.
I suppose they get it from the same place Republicans did when they were in control. They even found an extra half a trillion to boost medicare in 2003. Where did that come from?
We need cuts in all big programs including military, but simply removing medicare and hoping it will fix everythig is a pretty dumb.
That is precisely what the Democrats did during the 1930s and the 1970s that made the depression and recession so much worse with run away inflation. So why would you expect anything different from Democrats today?
Democrats have never been accused of being fiscally responsible.
First i'd rephrase the question. Saying "liberals! liberals!" over and over comes across very trailer park/hillbilly ignorant republican like.
That's mighty diplomatic of you.
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Originally Posted by TempesT68
Otherwise the democrats, independent and libertarian all agree to make real cuts to the pork just like anyone who has basic economic skills knows, and the two biggest pork barrel spending projects the country has is the military and the tax cuts for the rich.
Lets see:
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Military spending:
$895 billion (security)
$520 billion (non-security)
Mandatory programs:
SS - $730 billion
Medicare - $491 billion
Medicaid - $297 billion
TARP - $11 billion
Allowance for jobs initiatives - $25 billion
Allowance for health reform - -$7 billion (?)
Other mandatory programs - $619 billion
As far as the tax cuts for the wealthy, even the president said that was about $100 billion/year.
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And how do you think they view you after that post? 
