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Old 05-26-2011, 07:39 PM
 
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After losing this past weeks election in a heavily republican district in NY to the dems, Conservatives are realising that medicare cannot be touched if they wish to hold onto their seats.
The democrats will stop at nothing to preserve the status quo, even if it means bankrupting the nation.

Hip, hip, hooray!
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:43 PM
 
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Only the HI part of medicare is having problems and that is related to general revenues. B and D are in great shape. The recent changes to the program have extended its exhaustion period. Which has bought us time to make some much needed changes. We should not be cutting medicare, we should be expanding it. The cost per person would be less under medicare than what people are paying now for health insurance and deductibles.


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Old 05-26-2011, 08:00 PM
 
Location: The Triad
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We should not be cutting medicare, we should be expanding it. The cost per person would be less under medicare than what people are paying now for health insurance and deductibles.

shhh!
If you're not careful they'll start calling you rational too.


I suggest we start expanding it by including the catastrophic and traumatic so that most people can then afford all the common and basic things all on their own without needing much insurance at all.

Pushing this particular notion seems to be my own special hell.

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Old 05-26-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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I want to smack myself every time someone links to someone's opinion about a report that was previously posted instead of just pointing out what you think YOURSELF about the report.

The report clearly states:

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Most of the ACA-related cost saving is attributable to a reduction in the annual payment updates for most Medicare services (other than physicians’ services and drugs) by total economy multifactor productivity growth, which is projected to average 1.1 percent per year. The report notes that the long-term viability of this provision is debatable. In addition, an almost 30-percent reduction in Medicare payment rates for physician services is assumed to be implemented in 2012, notwithstanding experience to the contrary.
So your assertion that:

Conservatives hate medicare while at the same time they are trying to save it?

Is sorta funny... you know... considering democrats have been the only ones to cut any benefits from it. It's right there in the report (that I linked) that you were told about by someone else.

As far as Medicare, on average, they turn down 50% more people than private insurers. BCBS is the only insurer that turned down a larger % and in the case of CIGNA, Medicare was 6 times more likely to turn down a claim.

http://www.ama-assn.org/resources/do...rc-results.pdf
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:28 PM
 
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I want to smack myself
Please feel free.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:37 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Do people not see the inconsistancy with the two? A true conservative does not like medicare; however, true conservatives do not make up a majority of the population. So in order to pass their plan they have to make up crap like we are trying to save it so that the brain dead will buy into the plan.

Don't be fooled. There are those like Ron Paul who will tell you that he is against Medicare in any form. He is intellectually honest. I appreciate that, but of course that is why he will never be elected president. The majority of the population wants to keep Medicare so the Conservatives have to repackage their plan to get rid of medicare with a plan that accomplishes that but calls it a plan to save medicare.

How can anyone not figure this out.
Clearly it is the left who hates Medicare. Every government accounting authority acknowledges Medicare will go bankrupt, yet the left refuses to keep it alive. Why is that?
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:54 PM
 
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Clearly it is the left who hates Medicare. Every government accounting authority acknowledges Medicare will go bankrupt, yet the left refuses to keep it alive. Why is that?
So you are going to sit here and tell me that you are in favor of medicare? I thought you were a "true conservative" opposed to all entitlement programs?

One big savings that a true conservative would appreciate is a free market economy. I say if you want to help the medicare program, allow contractors and consumers to purchase drugs directly from Canada or any other civilized country where the drugs are cheaper, but that would put you pharmacists out of business would it not.
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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So you are going to sit here and tell me that you are in favor of medicare? I thought you were a "true conservative" opposed to all entitlement programs?

One big savings that a true conservative would appreciate is a free market economy. I say if you want to help the medicare program, allow contractors and consumers to purchase drugs directly from Canada or any other civilized country where the drugs are cheaper, but that would put you pharmacists out of business would it not.
Well clearly you would be wrong. Ryan, a Republican is the only one trying to save it. Where is the Dem plan?
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:09 PM
 
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Well clearly you would be wrong. Ryan, a Republican is the only one trying to save it. Where is the Dem plan?
The Dem plan is to not let the republican plan destroy it. I think our plan worked! I have no idea why you even bother. You always lose even when you have a stronger position. This is an epic fail. Quit while you behind it is really embarrasing.
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:09 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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How can anyone not figure this out.
Because they are conservatives. And that means little, if any, critical thinking skills
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