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Old 05-27-2011, 11:46 AM
 
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Balanced budget under clinton was a bi-partisan effort. All others on the OP list has not occured in my lifetime that i'm aware of. Both parties have spent us into debt over the last 20 years so I really don't see the point...
There was no balanced budget under Clinton
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There's less waste and overhead in Medicare than in private insurance.
Thats odd because Obama himself said they were going to find $500B in fraud and waste in medicare when they passed Obamacare..

Even odder is medicare actually contracts their services out to private insurance companies.
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Wrong again.

Clinton did NOT have a balanced budget. Why on gods earth do people believe the lies they are told? If you dont believe me, go to the US Treasury website, and look at the national debt during the Clinton presidency.. It went UP every single year.

The last time we had a surplus was 1969, which was $3.2B, and before that 1960 at $300M
You will need to figure out what budget entails, budget surplus entails and how they do (or not) affect the debt.
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:48 AM
 
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#1 & #2 are happening RIGHT NOW in the GOP.

The People are demanding #4  and the Republicans are the only party that will even allow the thought.

Where are the Democrats on these issues?

Oh, yeah...

Tax the **** out of "The Rich™" and all of our myriad problems will fall away like rose petals in a gentle breeze.
That would be your opinion. My interpretation of the GOP when it comes to gov control and freedom, if it does not fit their religious belief then you don't have any rights. Item 4 was attempted when they had control before see how far that has gotten us.
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:52 AM
 
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Bush invaded Libya?

The USA has invaded Libya?
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:52 AM
 
Location: North America
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clb, I don't know why I bother talking politics anymore because people are just so locked into rigid, ill informed sides. It's like gang warfare -- reds attack blues, blues attack reds, just because.

You said you support a strong American defense. Well, it's not the Democrats who have gotten us into foreign wars as of late. (Obama invaded Libya? Um, no. He didn't. Back to the point, we both know the 100,000+ U.S. troops deployed in the Central Command Area of Responsibility weren't put there by a Democrat.)

As far as the balanced budget, again, um no. Clinton comes from the pro-business, fiscally responsible wing of the Democractic party which is much larger than any other wing. I know the cartoons on Fox make it sound as if the Democrats hate business, but it's just not true ... not even a little. It's akin to saying that Republicans support the KKK. They just don't.
Perhaps you haven't watched TV/ read a newspaper/ read a magazine/ talked on a phone with an informed friend or visited a news website in the last couple of months but Nobel Peace Prize Winner Obama Declares War On Libya .

The democratic party is hellbent on raising taxes on "The Rich" AKA "The people who actually hire Americans" while forcing union regulations down the gullet of every entrepreneur in America.

I DARE you to find ONE news article that touted Bill Clinton as "business-friendly".

Heck...its even hard to type "Bill Clinton as "business-friendly" without laughing.
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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With the exception of #3 the better question is...WHEN HAS EITHER PARTY....but nice try with the selective questions to demostrate your partisan allegience
Exactly. The 2 modern political parties are now identical in everything except their rhetoric. Both are for Big Government in alliance with Big Business, "Free" Trade (that isn't), endless foreign wars that accomplish nothing but empoverish us and incite terrorism, consolidation of wealth at the very top, wiping out the Middle Class, and pushing fiscal irresponsibility to the point of inevitable collapse, and "kicking the can" of reform down the road to the next politician despite the fact that the pain and price will be 10X what it should have been.

There is only ONE group that offers the hope of change: Libertarians, like Ron Paul. Whether a Libertarian could change the entrenched corruption of our government is yet to be seen, but this movement is the only hope we have.

How things could be THIS bad in America, while so many still think either the Repubs or the Dems will change anything, is amazing. Nobody ever said the sheeple were intelligent.
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:54 AM
 
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You will need to figure out what budget entails, budget surplus entails and how they do (or not) affect the debt.
So you are now saying that the spending for Iraq wars didnt contribute to the debt, because they were off budget? NONSENSE!!!
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Old 05-27-2011, 11:57 AM
 
Location: North America
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The USA has invaded Libya?
Yes. You don't have to have Marines storm a beach for it to be an invasion. Our ordnance is invasive.
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:00 PM
 
Location: North America
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Exactly. The 2 modern political parties are now identical in everything except their rhetoric. Both are for Big Government in alliance with Big Business, "Free" Trade (that isn't), endless foreign wars that accomplish nothing but empoverish us and incite terrorism, consolidation of wealth at the very top, wiping out the Middle Class, and pushing fiscal irresponsibility to the point of inevitable collapse, and "kicking the can" of reform down the road to the next politician despite the fact that the pain and price will be 10X what it should have been.

There is only ONE group that offers the hope of change: Libertarians, like Ron Paul. Whether a Libertarian could change the entrenched corruption of our government is yet to be seen, but this movement is the only hope we have.

How things could be THIS bad in America, while so many still think either the Repubs or the Dems will change anything, is amazing. Nobody ever said the sheeple were intelligent.
I like the libertarians but they have a permanent philosophical problem:

The American people will NEVER, EVER voluntarily give up free government cheese.
Spoiler
NEVER.
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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Perhaps you haven't watched TV/ read a newspaper/ read a magazine/ talked on a phone with an informed friend or visited a news website in the last couple of months but Nobel Peace Prize Winner Obama Declares War On Libya .

The democratic party is hellbent on raising taxes on "The Rich" AKA "The people who actually hire Americans" while forcing union regulations down the gullet of every entrepreneur in America.

I DARE you to find ONE news article that touted Bill Clinton as "business-friendly".

Heck...its even hard to type "Bill Clinton as "business-friendly" without laughing.


I spent all of .1 seconds googling Clinton's very well known business friendly policies and came up with this. If you care to spend some time actually educating yourself, you'll find that Bill Clinton was extremely friendly to business, as are most Democrats.

Presidents That Were Small Business Friendly - Business Opportunities Weblog

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