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Old 08-04-2007, 03:28 PM
 
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CityWatcher.com, a provider of surveillance equipment, attracted little notice itself -- until a year ago, when two of its employees had glass-encapsulated microchips with miniature antennas embedded in their forearms.

The "chipping" of two workers with RFIDs -- radio frequency identification tags as long as two grains of rice, as thick as a toothpick -- was merely a way of restricting access to vaults that held sensitive data and images for police departments, a layer of security beyond key cards and clearance codes, the company said.

"To protect high-end secure data, you use more sophisticated techniques," Sean Darks, chief executive of the Cincinnati-based company, said. He compared chip implants to retina scans or fingerprinting. "There's a reader outside the door; you walk up to the reader, put your arm under it, and it opens the door."

Innocuous? Maybe.

Microchips in humans: High-tech helpers or Big Brother surveillance? - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/08/01/chips.humans.ap/index.html - broken link)
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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I say we round up the illegals and microchip them. Put em in their brains so they will not be tempted to dig them out.....

Then send them back to Mexico with a bill for the Mexican government.
It sounds great in theory *applauds* however there are some flaws:

1. Who would fund this?
2. Mexico already owes us like $10 billion. What good would adding to the bill do?


As for the topic on-hand. Micro-chipping employees to restrict access may seem extreme for most companies, but if it's a HIGHLY classified area, I can understand it. In fact, I could see it being done here where I work...

As for using them nationally, no. I don't think that the general public should have to get them. It's too much power that can be abused.
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Old 08-06-2007, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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How can anybody consider this to be an acceptable thing to do, even in a national security environment? Looks like Ruben Bolling was on to something:

http://images.salon.com/comics/boll/...boll/story.gif
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Old 08-06-2007, 03:39 PM
 
Location: Sacramento
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But this OP was referencing secured access. Regarding immigration, simply pick up and deport, and fine (or worse) the employers. What does micro chipping an illegal immigrant accomplish???
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Old 08-08-2007, 02:29 AM
 
Location: The best country in the world: the USA
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CityWatcher.com, a provider of surveillance equipment, attracted little notice itself -- until a year ago, when two of its employees had glass-encapsulated microchips with miniature antennas embedded in their forearms.

The "chipping" of two workers with RFIDs -- radio frequency identification tags as long as two grains of rice, as thick as a toothpick -- was merely a way of restricting access to vaults that held sensitive data and images for police departments, a layer of security beyond key cards and clearance codes, the company said.

"To protect high-end secure data, you use more sophisticated techniques," Sean Darks, chief executive of the Cincinnati-based company, said. He compared chip implants to retina scans or fingerprinting. "There's a reader outside the door; you walk up to the reader, put your arm under it, and it opens the door."

Innocuous? Maybe.

Microchips in humans: High-tech helpers or Big Brother surveillance? - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/08/01/chips.humans.ap/index.html - broken link)
It is 100% Big Brother surveillance. The RFID chips can track you 24/7. To those who would like the government to know what you are doing 24/7, great. For me, I am happy as I am.
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Old 08-08-2007, 02:36 AM
 
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Microchips are tremendously insecure. In order to read one, you just need to 'ping' the RFID element with a scanning device, and then you can collect its information. With a moderate amount of tinkering, you could build a system to passively ping for RFID, and then when one is pinged, your program would 'spoof' its information, which could then be encoded on another chip and used to spoof whatever security device the original chip unlocks.

In fact, this is less difficult than spoofing the old-fashioned method of giving someone a physical pass to a door. In that case, if the pass is lost or stolen, the pass-holder will notice, and the door can be updated to reject the stolen pass. But you can ping and spoof an RFID pass without anyone knowing or noticing.
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Old 08-08-2007, 05:20 PM
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Shut up! Be happy!
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Old 08-08-2007, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Texas- moving back to New England!
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But this OP was referencing secured access. Regarding immigration, simply pick up and deport, and fine (or worse) the employers. What does micro chipping an illegal immigrant accomplish???
Microchipping illegals in a way they cannot get the device out acts like a burglar alarm, going off if they sneak back in! DUH....
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