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Old 05-28-2011, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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how about revamping a for-profit school to train folks for jobs that AMERICA actually needs
There are plenty of them. By all means, target the BAD apples of the industry, but to crack down on the industry as a whole is just what you would expect from stupid, clueless radical leftists in the obama administration.

Here's the letter, from the chairman and RANKING democrat, a black liberal.

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/files...d-Cummings.pdf

http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/...-of-education/

Liberal Democrat calls for investigation of Obama’s Dept. of Education
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Old 05-28-2011, 06:56 PM
 
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how about revamping a for-profit school to train folks for jobs that AMERICA actually needs
They do.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:05 PM
 
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I have a buddy who does marketing work for a for profit college. He told me recently he hates doing his job because of the ethics of the work. They target mostly poor individuals, entice them into enrolling in the school, and wrap them head to toe in debt. Most people don't graduate from the school and the school board knows that. It is easy to target poor people into enrolling though because they are desperate for a better life. It was sad hearing about it. I don't have a problem with for profit colleges, but that they target poor people does need to be looked into.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, TX
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Public universities are scum too.
not really
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:37 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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how about revamping a for-profit school to train folks for jobs that AMERICA actually needs
Compare the curriculum of your average for-profit school versus a non-profit or state school and then tell me which one is more focused on training students for jobs that America really needs. You don't find Lapland Literary Studies or Feminist Grievance-Nurturing & Navel-Gazing programs at the for-profit schools.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:48 PM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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LOL..Harvard is sub-standard ?

Do you see where this is going ? Private schools cannot be mandated to lower standards while state schools can. ...
Psst, Harvard isn't a for-profit college. Private college <> for-profit college.

Most of these for-profit colleges are unaccredited facilities that help students get student aid and loans so they can pay their tuition. The problem is that a degree from these places isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

According to the New York Times,
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The industry, gets more than three-quarters of its revenue from federal student aid, has been under increasing scrutiny from Congress and the Obama administration.
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And soon, the Department of Education is expected to issue a regulation cutting off federal student aid to for-profit programs whose graduates have high debt loads and little earning power. The proposed regulation, known as the “gainful employment” provision, has spurred an intense lobbying campaign by the for-profit college industry and its allies, and was sent to the White House Office of Management and Budget for review this month.
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The complaint against EDMC charges that its compensation plan is very much like the one at the University of Phoenix, which the Department of Education found in 2004 “provides substantial incentives to its staff to recruit unqualified students” and “operates in a duplicitous manner” to evade detection.
You would think that conservatives would cheer the government trying to weed out institutions milking taxpayer money. Oh, I forgot, Obama did it so it must be bad.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Psst, Harvard isn't a for-profit college. Private college <> for-profit college.

Most of these for-profit colleges are unaccredited facilities that help students get student aid and loans so they can pay their tuition. The problem is that a degree from these places isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

According to the New York Times, You would think that conservatives would cheer the government trying to weed out institutions milking taxpayer money. Oh, I forgot, Obama did it so it must be bad.
Nonsequitur. If they're unaccredited their students aren't even eligible for federal financial aid so this regulation wouldn't apply. Try again.
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Old 05-28-2011, 07:59 PM
 
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Nonsequitur. If they're unaccredited their students aren't even eligible for federal financial aid so this regulation wouldn't apply. Try again.
Not really, the accreditation can be some bs industry nonsense which like their diplomas aren't worth the paper they are written on except when it comes to allowing students to receive aid.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/educati...fit29_CV_N.htm
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:01 PM
 
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"Far too many for-profit schools are saddling students with debt they cannot afford in exchange for degrees and certificates they cannot use,"


Profile - USATODAY.com
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Old 05-28-2011, 08:03 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Not really, the accreditation can be some bs industry nonsense which like their diplomas aren't worth the paper they are written on except when it comes to allowing students to receive aid.

For-profit colleges under fire over value, accreditation - USATODAY.com
Eh no, it can't just be "some bs industry nonsense." It has to be accredited by a body that is approved by the Department of Education. If substandard accreditation is the problem, you'd think a more effective and sensible way to resolve the problem would be for the Dept. of Ed. to tighten its own accreditation standards rather than allowing lousy accreditation and then choking off federal money to schools that adhere to the federal government's own lousy standards.
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