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Old 05-31-2011, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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Churches are nominally conservative. In practice, most aren't anywhere NEAR being conservative.
There are countless Christian denominations. Some are very liberal; some are very conservative. It's impossible to generalize and it depends on the denomination. I think it is safe to safe that most of the familiar denominations--Methodist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Lutheran--are not particularly conservative. Southern Baptists, Mormons, Adventists and the Pentecostals are pretty conservative. Although Catholics are theoretically conservative, in actual practice I don't think they are except for their still official prohibitions against birth control and abortion.

There are so many threads on P&OC about evangelical and fundamentalist Christians--who are usually very conservative--that many non-church goers here probably think this group makes up a much larger percentage of total Christians than they really do.
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Old 05-31-2011, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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In point of fact he was a traditionalist, but I digress. The early progressive movement in america was championed by the religious folk. However, since ww2 the progressive/socialist/liberal movement in america has been largely socialistic in nature and draws upon marx, a jewish athiest. It was marx that taught american progressives/liberals that "religion was the opiate of the masses."
Did you make this up yourself or read it in a book somewhere?
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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There are countless Christian denominations. Some are very liberal; some are very conservative. It's impossible to generalize and it depends on the denomination. I think it is safe to safe that most of the familiar denominations--Methodist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Lutheran--are not particularly conservative. Southern Baptists, Mormons, Adventists and the Pentecostals are pretty conservative. Although Catholics are theoretically conservative, in actual practice I don't think they are except for their still official prohibitions against birth control and abortion.

There are so many threads on P&OC about evangelical and fundamentalist Christians--who are usually very conservative--that many non-church goers here probably think this group makes up a much larger percentage of total Christians than they really do.
I don't know where you've lived, but where I've lived (Texas, Hawaii, Alabama, Colorado, Virginia, Illinois) and where I've visited I have not seen these wonderfully progressive churches that you think are common. You can throw a rock in any direction and hit a church from where I live today and, upon close examination only ONE of the many hundreds of churches near my home would be considered "progressive/liberal".

To think this trend ends where I live is pretty silly.
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Perhaps these wise words from a retired pastor provide a glimpse into why Churches appear to be more fundamentalist/conservative...

"Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community"

To that, I say... Amen!

The Bible has become a book with which to bludgeon people

Now, would he qualify as a liberal/progressive?
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:11 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Did you make this up yourself or read it in a book somewhere?
I'm only surmising jesus was a traditionalist. Pretty much everything else comes from books. Do you object? If so, then what?
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Ha ha and isn't ironic that most evangelical women are a bunch of contentious vainglorious blabber mouths.
Most? Paint with a broad brush much?
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:12 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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There are countless Christian denominations. Some are very liberal; some are very conservative. It's impossible to generalize and it depends on the denomination. I think it is safe to safe that most of the familiar denominations--Methodist, Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Lutheran--are not particularly conservative. Southern Baptists, Mormons, Adventists and the Pentecostals are pretty conservative. Although Catholics are theoretically conservative, in actual practice I don't think they are except for their still official prohibitions against birth control and abortion.

There are so many threads on P&OC about evangelical and fundamentalist Christians--who are usually very conservative--that many non-church goers here probably think this group makes up a much larger percentage of total Christians than they really do.
Oh not so hard as all that.
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:17 PM
 
Location: The middle of nowhere Arkansas
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Perhaps these wise words from a retired pastor provide a glimpse into why Churches appear to be more fundamentalist/conservative...

"Too many people are using religion as a sword to fight those with whom they disagree, instead of as a plowshare to help their fellow neighbors tend the land and form a community"

To that, I say... Amen!

The Bible has become a book with which to bludgeon people

Now, would he qualify as a liberal/progressive?
It's an interesting article tho brief but I'd take issue with the good pastor. If one does not fight for what one believes............
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:18 PM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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It's an interesting article tho brief but I'd take issue with the good pastor. If one does not fight for what one believes............
Like Islamic fundamentalists? Perhaps Christians ought to look at Jesus' way of "fighting" as opposed to Moses'?
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Old 05-31-2011, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Neither here nor there
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I don't know where you've lived, but where I've lived (Texas, Hawaii, Alabama, Colorado, Virginia, Illinois) and where I've visited I have not seen these wonderfully progressive churches that you think are common. You can throw a rock in any direction and hit a church from where I live today and, upon close examination only ONE of the many hundreds of churches near my home would be considered "progressive/liberal".

To think this trend ends where I live is pretty silly.
I didn't mean to infer they were politically active in a progressive way--just that the denominations I mentioned as being "liberal" don't make a big deal out of taking stands on issues the way some other churches do. At least to my knowledge, they don't. The Catholic Church is still officially pro-life and against birth control but they are active in helping immigrants in their communities. (Many of the illegal immigrants are Catholic.) My cousin is a Lutheran minister with a gay daughter and he and his wife are as liberal politically as one gets.
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