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Old 11-12-2011, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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I think it's the other way round. Social conservatism makes people stupid. Seriously though, I'm not sure it's about native intelligence so much as education or lack thereof. People who are socially conservative are likely that way because they didn't have access to a world class education. Had they grown up in better circumstances they could have turned out quite differently.
I think I agree with this. It is education. The rural and high school educated whites tend to be socially conservative.

Whites that go on to college and graduate school in anything except business end up strongly liberal.

It was my story. I grew up in as conservative of a town and family as anyone, but when I started learning more about the big picture, I became increasingly liberal. And it has not lessened as I have reached middle age, even though I pay plenty of taxes. It comes down to one's understanding of the world and the direction we are heading and what social conservative, laissez-faire policies mean for the planet. This only comes through education for most of us.

As I have posted, the ethnic center of gravity of social conservatives are the immigrants who came from Scotland via Ireland before the revolution and settled the noncoastal Southeast. These same people have led the world in intellectual achievements (Scottish Enlightenment), so the potential is certainly there. But hundreds of years of rural living has created a pugnacious culture that can actually show contempt for formal higher education. Better to know how to hunt, fish, and frame a house than borrow money to study Etruscan poetry. A shame really. As a contempt for higher education is really pretty similar to low intelligence in outcome, for all except those with exceptional gifts.

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Old 11-12-2011, 03:16 PM
 
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Chickenfriedbananas, excellent post! *You* are much more fair and balanced than any liberal that I've had to suffer the company of, and that's a lot of them.
Thank you, sir.
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Old 11-12-2011, 03:20 PM
 
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Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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Old 11-12-2011, 03:37 PM
 
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I think I agree with this. It is education. The rural and high school educated whites tend to be socially conservative.

Whites that go on to college and graduate school in anything except business end up strongly liberal.

It was my story. I grew up in as conservative of a town and family as anyone, but when I started learning more about the big picture, I became increasingly liberal. And it has not lessened as I have reached middle age, even though I pay plenty of taxes. It comes down to one's understanding of the world and the direction we are heading and what social conservative, laissez-faire policies mean for the planet. This only comes through education for most of us.

As I have posted, the ethnic center of gravity of social conservatives are the immigrants who came from Scotland via Ireland before the revolution and settled the noncoastal Southeast. These same people have led the world in intellectual achievements (Scottish Enlightenment), so the potential is certainly there. But hundreds of years of rural living has created a pugnacious culture that can actually show contempt for formal higher education. Better to know how to hunt, fish, and frame a house than borrow money to study Etruscan poetry. A shame really. As a contempt for higher education is really pretty similar to low intelligence in outcome, for all except those with exceptional gifts.
Wel,well,well, and all from someone that calls themself fiddle head We are less than a generation, perhaps soon, from a war between pseudointellectual, psychobabble, never worked,living in moms basement or hiking abroad feel good about themselves mushheads and the rest of us tired of supporting their public held jobs. You have way too much time on your hands, Go and learn to darn some socks, something productive anything productive. Very soon, reading poetry, will not serve you well.


don't blame conservatives when you can't take care of your basic needs because you have spent your life cultivating the wrong skills and there is no one left to bring you your food tray. Just keep reassuring yourself of your intellectual superiority. You would do well to follow the path of Pangloss and go and cultivate your garden.
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:10 PM
 
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The problem is dogmatism. Also, bear in mind that spectrums exist for all ideologies.

Dogmatism is, intellectually, the least taxing position. What is a dogma? Basic principles, rules, oaths, etc etc. Such inflexibility makes it easy for the "foot soldiers" of a movement to function. If they encounter something contrary to their oath/dogma, it's opposed thoughtlessly.

Social conservatism unfairly bears the brunt. Many "social conservatives" are relatively mild: "I want my kids to say please and thank you. I want my kids to marry. It's so nice that Mrs. Smith let me borrow an egg for my meatballs...you just don't get neighbors like that these days." It's the dogmatic ones that are the issue. "The world is 6,000 years old. God hates ****. The Bible, as preached within our minuscule denomination that is only 120 years old, is the ONLY path to salvation. Young women who wear short skirts will BURN with the ***** of Babylon!" When I talk with these people, I generally find that their conversation is lacking, to say the least.

BUT, the "left" (such as it is) also enjoys its dogmatics. Plenty of Occupy Wall St people strike me as such. Then there are the underweight militant vegans at my university handing out anarchist pamphlets that are, literally, pure rhetoric. There's plenty of irrational hatred here, don't be mistaken.
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:15 PM
 
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The problem is dogmatism. Also, bear in mind that spectrums exist for all ideologies.
Amen. I've always said that social conservatives and a certain subset of lefties have much more in common than they realize.
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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Thank you, sir.
I'm not a sir but I am also not a bit offended that you could not know.

You are more-than, welcome! Also, your nickname is very cool. Bananas are excellent, and hmmm....your version sounds....tempting. I wonder.....or is it a joke? I'm a native Texan, and the wildest thing I ever did with a banana was mash it up and stir in pnut butter. lol!
burp....

Uh oh, I didn't post anything "on topic" with the thread, so! correcting my fault here...

Hey! don't miss the video I brought here, that suggests that liberals have a dumbdowned portion of voters that is so ignorant and pitiful that it is they, not any of us conservatives that may, yet force us to legalize a required test, for voters.
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:18 PM
 
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I was googling around trying to find a studies that link fringe political views (from either side) to cognitive ability and found this study instead.

Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives? — The American Magazine

I'm a little behind the times since it is from a few years ago. A researcher looked at political views and tried to link them to intelligence. It wasn't the case that conservatives in general or Republicans had lower intelligence levels, but social conservatives were shown to have lower levels of intelligence. That would include people who vote based on values and not conservative financial principles.

It's an interesting study. In thinking about the outcome, it does make sense to me. I've challenged social conservatives to debates on several fronts (as I do with people of all political mindsets) and in the end when all of their rationalizations are shot down, it all comes back to emotion as their justification. Perhaps these people have a left side of the brain that is weak and thus dominated by the right.

I'd be interested to see if anyone has found any other studies in similar peer reviewed journals.

Brilliant.

Want to find that the foundations of liberalism defy logic and common sense?

Ask a died in the wool liberal to practice its principles on a micro, personal level. Any liberal will become a "micro conservative" in a second.

1. invite a homeless person to live with you
2. give your house to someone less advantaged and move in thier shack
3. give your job to someone who did not earn it
4. give the next person you see on the street 35% of your income
5. allow your children to use illegal drugs and get abortions
6. pick up a dozen or so illegals from Mexico and move them into your neighborhood
7. Walk to work
8. refuse to use central heating or air conditioning
9. allow a pedophile to babysit your children

Liberalism is institutionalized insanity. Has any liberal here performed the above "foundations" of liberal thought? Why not? Because it would be insane to do so, just like it is insane on a macro, national level.

Now that is better than an IQ test.
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:25 PM
 
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Brilliant.

Want to find that the foundations of liberalism defy logic and common sense?

Ask a died in the wool liberal to practice its principles on a micro, personal level. Any liberal will become a "micro conservative" in a second.

1. invite a homeless person to live with you
2. give your house to someone less advantaged and move in thier shack
3. give your job to someone who did not earn it
4. give the next person you see on the street 35% of your income
5. allow your children to use illegal drugs and get abortions
6. pick up a dozen or so illegals from Mexico and move them into your neighborhood
7. Walk to work
8. refuse to use central heating or air conditioning
9. allow a pedophile to babysit your children

Liberalism is institutionalized insanity. Has any liberal here performed the above "foundations" of liberal thought? Why not? Because it would be insane to do so, just like it is insane on a macro, national level.

Now that is better than an IQ test.
There might actually be some truth to this. As I put it before somewhere else, I think liberals are more compassionate about the plight of the poor and more sympathetic to understanding how poor people ended up in their circumstances. But the conservative is probably more likely to show up at a charity event and donate food. However, to be fair here, the reasons need to be put into their proper perspective. It's a philosophical difference, which doesn't really mean that it's an inconsistency.

Liberals believe in the power of the masses, and they tend to be likely to believe in things like 'collectivism' than 'individualism'. You can read 'socialism' if you want to, but I think that would be a symptom of their belief, rather than the belief itself. I think that liberals are more likely to believe that many of our problems can be solved through more 'global' means; conservatives (at least here) believe that problems are resolved almost exclusively at a local level, often on a person to person basis.

My point is, I agree with you in that a lot of liberals would not pass your 'tests' as enumerated above, but that's because they believe they shouldn't be forced to make those decisions in the first place, particularly if they believe that the solutions are available to keep people out of poverty to begin with.
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Old 11-12-2011, 04:30 PM
 
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Is this from Mars?
Borrowing tommorrow away and bankrupting a country as liberals are doing would not be smart anywhere unless you took this opinion at a Democrat convention.
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