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Exactly right, Andrea. I think some on this thread are starting to believe their own press notices when they seemingly do not get the point by thinking that their "rights" are being violated when some choose to pray in a spontaneous manner.
In fact, I would encourage Christians all over the country to -- if we damn well please -- to say a spontaneous prayer (The Lord's Prayer is perfect for the occasion!) in place of an officially lead one. This does not violate any "seperation" clause, and we are pefectly free to do so. If some of the perpetually "offended" don't like it? Tough sh*t. They can leave and/or not participate or whatever suits their fancy...
I want to add I am honestly not trying to be obnoxious here. Nor shove anything in anyones face. I truly do not want to offend anyone. It is just I am sick and tired of seeing federal courts demand Christian Americans bend to satisfy every disgruntled soul who claims to be "offended" when they hear a prayer. And that "we" take it. Well, to hell with that. It is high time we Christians stood up for our rights as tax payers and Americans as well.
Let's say our prayers aloud and spontaneously, and dare anybody to stop us. If the courts should go so far as to rule THAT a violation? Then let's keep doing it anyway and force them to call in federal authorities to prevent it.
Ok...ok...I am thru ranting and raving and outta here for the night. Y'all have a good one evening.
My solution would be to wait until the student that filed the lawsuit had his name announced. Then I would quietly get up and cover my mouth with tape.
Do you libs even know how frightening this is? We are a free country, which means taking the bad along with the good.
That's alright. We'll just wait until 2012 when we have the WH and House, and can then ban all gay rights events. You know, because one person is offended.
For all you devout Christians out there, NOBODY is trying to "take away" your right to be a Christian. You can do whatever you like in the PRIVACY OF YOUR LIFE!
If you want to live in the privacy of your home naked, then go right ahead. Just don't go naked in Public!
You want to pray in the privacy of your home or private church, then go right ahead. Just don't expect the general public to tolerate it.
If we were really trying to take away your Christian rights, then it would be against the law to be a Christian. Period.
My solution would be to wait until the student that filed the lawsuit had his name announced. Then I would quietly get up and cover my mouth with tape.
Do you libs even know how frightening this is? We are a free country, which means taking the bad along with the good.
That's alright. We'll just wait until 2012 when we have the WH and House, and can then ban all gay rights events. You know, because one person is offended.
I guess that sentiment goes both ways...
FYI...You can ban any events you like, that doesnt change the fact the the US supreme court has ruled that school sanctioned prayer at school graduations is unconstitutional.
Note: School sanctioned, student led, at school functions... NOT prayer before, durring, or after the ceremony...in a group or to one's self.
Instead of covering your mouth, why wouldn't you[while in your seat] pray for the kid...thats neither unconstitution, nor non-christian.
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FYI...You can ban any events you like, that doesnt change the fact the the US supreme court has ruled that school sanctioned prayer at school graduations is unconstitutional.
And when the left starts adhering to that, the right will too. Until then, game on.
We have come to a disgusting place in our society when members of a school graduating class wish to thank God and are threatened with jail. Welcome to the United Soviet States of Amerika. The pan-Lenninists are winning.
We are supposed to be guaranteed freedom of religion, not freedom from. It is not as though a state religion has been imposed. Get real people!
For all you devout Christians out there, NOBODY is trying to "take away" your right to be a Christian. You can do whatever you like in the PRIVACY OF YOUR LIFE!
If you want to live in the privacy of your home naked, then go right ahead. Just don't go naked in Public!
You want to pray in the privacy of your home or private church, then go right ahead. Just don't expect the general public to tolerate it.
If we were really trying to take away your Christian rights, then it would be against the law to be a Christian. Period.
Can you actually point out what took place that was illegal? What law was violated as a result of praying?
It's not a violation if the team (or people in the stands) wants to pray. If they don't want to pray, they don't have to.
You're still missing my point.
It depends. Certainly people in the stands who want to pray can do so. The facility management itself, if it is not a state-owned facility, can even prompt it.
I am not missing your point because you don't have one - you don't understand where the lines are drawn between Establishment and Free Exercise.
It's all about the existence, or not, of a "governmental nexus." In most cases the players deciding ON THEIR OWN to pray wouldn't create such a nexus, but every case turns on its facts. If they were, for example, encouraged or coerced or influenced to do so by a coach on the State's payroll...that would be a problem.
It's not nearly as black and white or simple as you seem to think it is.
No such thing as a "former Christian". Sorry to nitpick.
Only Calvinists believe this. Catholics, Arminians and other Christian sects recognize that someone can fall out of grace through apostasy (or in the case of Catholics, "pay as you go" LOL). We don't buy that "once saved always saved" stuff.
We have come to a disgusting place in our society when members of a school graduating class wish to thank God and are threatened with jail.
COMPLETE nonsense. It would be the school officials facing monetary damages, not jail.
You just made this crap up, or else heard it from someone who did.
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Welcome to the United Soviet States of Amerika. The pan-Lenninists are winning.
More like the pro-Jeffersonians and Adamses.... This idea predates Communism, or didn't you know that?
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We are supposed to be guaranteed freedom of religion, not freedom from.
A distinction without a difference, and you are utterly wrong anyway. We have both guaranteed by the Constitution.
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It is not as though a state religion has been imposed. Get real people!
Take it up with the SCOTUS. Anyone that reads just the language of the Constitution and nothing more and feels qualified to comment on Constitutional law is a fool.
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This idea predates Communism, or didn't you know that?
