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I am willing to bet there are more people that believe in the "magic" of the Harry Potter movies than actually understand science. There is no "science" in cell phones. You just enter a magic incantation and a miniscule demon in the phone talks to other demons that eventually have the demon in the phone you want to talk to. See- science not needed, just technology.
As far as global warming is concerned I can now, as opposed to 50 years ago, buy "Georgia" peaches grown right here in New Hampshire. Whatever climate factor limited growing peaches to Georgia has changed. That may be as simple as an increase in minimum temperature during the winter. I’ll ask the guy that operates the apple and peach orchard.
That's great
But once they start to grow coconuts in Winnipeg, it's time go get really worried
Okay, not man-made, but do you believe that there is a shift in climate pattern? That will be a good start for a debate.
Climate changes have always been happening and always will. It's just a question of what time span you choose to look at.
Historically, we have had extended periods of warming and cooling. Nobody can predict what the next few years will bring, much less the next few decades.
I just read that France is having serious drought problems, no rain, too hot. They are already running out of food for their farm animals. Groundwater levels are way too low...
Climate changes have always been happening and always will. It's just a question of what time span you choose to look at.
Historically, we have had extended periods of warming and cooling. Nobody can predict what the next few years will bring, much less the next few decades.
So yes, our climate is changing.
Thanks for letting me know of your position. Now only if the person (Hawkeye2009) I addressed this post to would also respond.
On the issue of climate change, we agree. Where we might disagree is whether humans are accelerating the process. I would say, we're. I won't mind being wrong on that if that happens to be the reality. Would you mind being wrong?
Reason I ask, is that response can be inferred as a clever way of saying "You are not a climate scientist and you have not published any climate science work, so we can disregard anything you might say".
Which is only relevant when we are considering a position that is entirely dependent on the merits of ones qualifications. Fortunately, Science doesn't work that way, and more specifically with "climate science", one can point out the flaws of another position based on the requirements of their validation.
Absolutely honest.
By the by, I do not automatically disregard anything people say. However, when a person is asking others to believe him or her on the subject of global warming, based on the fact that they are a medical doctor (stating that they know 'junk' science from 'real' science), I naturally wish to know more.
I am a lawyer, but that fact does not mean that any pronouncements I may make about global warming should be taken as fact. That would be silly.
Now, if I were one of those scientists that spend their time at Antarctica, for instance, boring through hundreds (or maybe thousands) of feet of ice and earth to determine past warming/cooling trends, etc., and publishing papers for peer review, then I would expect my statements to be taken at least somewhat seriously.
Of course, on this board we do not have actual scientists posting their findings, pro or con, on global warming. We do have plenty of links by laymen to youtube or Wikipedia.
Some people, of course, reject the theory of global warming based on their political beliefs, which I find odd. I also find it odd for anyone who accepts the theory of global warming based on political beliefs.
As I have said many times before, I tend to believe those scientists who have the educational background and who spend time 'in the field' doing hands-on research. Over the years I have read, or seen on television, reports of said scientists who believe in global warming, and, at face value, seem to have some data to back up their statements. I have also seen other scientists who call the data into question, which, after all, is what the scientific process is all about. Yet I do not reject the theory out of hand based on the claims by some that it is all some vast global conspiracy to mandate socialism, etc., on the population.
Maybe what we are experiencing is natural warming (most scientists seem to agree that warming is occuring; the devil is the cause), but perhaps human activity is contributing to it and, if so, maybe we can slow it down.
As I have noted before, when the issue about the hole in the ozone layer came out (1960s) there were those who simply rejected the theory that CDCs were, at least partially, at fault. Some claimed that the holes were always present, but we did not know it until we had the means to detect the holes. Yet enough scientific evidence was produced that led the USA and some 160 other nations to impose bans on CDCs. Years later, the ozone layer seems to be recovering. Maybe it would have even if we kept all the spray cans, etc.
We are living in an interesting time: the Golden Era of the Expert. On this board alone I see people claiming to be experts in every imaginable field, mainly based on their sitting on their butt in front of a computer and reading blogs, Wikipedia, etc. It's wonderful to have opinions, but it seems strange to see people, based on slight research on the internet, claim to be experts in economics, medicine, law, etc.
Ah, well. That is what is fun about this board. I doubt I have ever seen anyone change their mind on any subject whatsoever. Many seem to think that once they state a position, they must defend it to the death, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. I often wonder if those type of people employ the same tactic at home with friends and family.
I just read that France is having serious drought problems, no rain, too hot. They are already running out of food for their farm animals. Groundwater levels are way too low...
I just read that France is having serious drought problems, no rain, too hot. They are already running out of food for their farm animals. Groundwater levels are way too low...
drought conditions make for better grapes and wines
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