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fail. females are at least half the world's population. men who desire to wear dresses in the workplace represent a microscopic fraction of that number.
What does it matter? Doesn't matter to Saudi Arabia. Women can be a shocking sight so they must cover up!
What about kids with cancer? They represent a minority with a medical condition. Or teachers with cancer? What about a teacher missing an arm? All medical conditions. Burn victims? Other birth defects? Why should we give any minority rights?
I really fail to see how numbers factor into this.
Last edited by Senshi; 06-02-2011 at 07:16 PM..
Reason: A bit more clarity
Because a public school system is open for all people. Trans issues are a real issue for many people. If you want rigid gender roles you can have them at your private schools.
Define "many".
And private schools generally won't tolerate such behavior.
"Rigid" gender roles? There are two genders. How much flexibility can reasonably be expected with a sample size of two?
What does it matter? Doesn't matter to Saudi Arabia. Women can be a shocking sight so they must cover up!
What about kids with cancer? They represent a minority with a medical condition. Or teachers with cancer? What about a teacher missing an arm? All medical conditions. Burn victims? Other birth defects? Why should we give any minority rights?
I really fail to see how numbers factor into this.
well if a child sees a one-armed teacher, he/she will likely think Mr. Nelson lost his arm in some sort of accident or something. No biggie.
the child will not wonder Uhhh, what the hekk is going on here?!!? LOL!! which is exactly the distraction that would result from Mr. Nelson wearing a dress, jewelry and high heels.
[quote=Senshi;19422185]Because a public school system is open for all people. Trans issues are a real issue for many people. If you want rigid gender roles you can have them at your private schools.
If you want cross-dressers, non-dressers, inappropriate dressers teaching your kids - start your own private schools where teachers and kids can cross dress all they want every day. Do you think President Obama should be allowed to wear a blouse, mini skirt and high heels when he hosts foreign dignitaries at the WH or visits tornado victims in Alabama or Missouri? How about if our special forces showed up at Osama's house with evening gowns and silk slippers?? Come on - this discussion, and this "bill" in CA, are totally silly and stupid.
And private schools generally won't tolerate such behavior.
"Rigid" gender roles? There are two genders. How much flexibility can reasonably be expected with a sample size of two?
Yep, there are only two proper ways to exist on this planet, and they're rigidly defined by genitalia (damn the intersex). These rigid modes of existence have been the same since God created the Earth 7000 years ago, and they've never differed regardless of time or place. Anything outside of them is an abomination that should be ridiculed, shamed, repressed, and even punished.
Gender and sex are different. Gender describes a range of characteristics generally attributed to (vastly varying) social standards of male vs. female. Gender is self-identified. Sex is biological. Most people are male or female, although humans do come in other flavors (the intersex - neither biologically male or female).
A school not giving opportunity to those children is discriminating. By telling children that teachers can't express their gender freely it is sending the wrong message to those children. I fail to see why numbers matter. It's okay to be a bigot if the numbers are small enough? I had one black kid in a school of mine. That kid didn't deserve rights, and respect, because there weren't more?
And, believe it or not, many cultures have more than two gender roles. And why should we have gender roles to begin with? What happen to freedom? I most certainly wouldn't want my kid to be forced into a gender role against their own will.
Because a public school system is open for all people. Trans issues are a real issue for many people. If you want rigid gender roles you can have them at your private schools.
Did you want your children to be taught by black people? Go to school with black kids? Why should your tax dollars pay for that if you don't like black people?
Same issue half a century ago.
Trans issues are a real issue for many people .. as many as there are Trans themselves and that's about it.
Even still, I would prefer not having someone that's conflicted over whether or not they are a man or a woman, teaching my kid ..
Keep your own confusion out of the classroom, kids have got enough on their plate already without having to deal with "your" gender confusion. Don't make "your" private personal problem into their problem too ..
You discredit your own argument by bringing race into the discussion incidently .. Fail
well if a child sees a one-armed teacher, he/she will likely think Mr. Nelson lost his arm in some sort of accident or something. No biggie.
the child will not wonder Uhhh, what the hekk is going on here?!!? LOL!! which is exactly the distraction that would result from Mr. Nelson wearing a dress, jewelry and high heels.
You don't really know children do you? I once had a substitute who had tourettes. Should we ban that teacher because they might say a naughty word that might offend some uptight parent?
And what if "Mr. Nelson" got surgery and was legally a woman? Betcha didn't even think of that! Since genitals are so important to you.
Yeah - I guess you're right - society discriminates left and right - women can wear pants OR skirts - men can't. Men must register for the draft, whereas women don't have to. People who earn money a lot of money have much of it taken away - robbed - by irresponsible government. Old people don't have to work and collect govt benefits while younger people have to work. Some people are born with physical and mental handicaps while most others enjoy a healthy body and mind. Women who are convicted of identical crimes as men receive much lighter sentences - none of this stuff is fair - it's isn't right - let's pass some laws to change all this unfairness. And yeah - whoever mentioned it - Iran is real tolerant of transexuals, transgenders and cross-dressers - Rrrrrrright - get raped and get stoned to death.
Iran allows same-sex changes and even supports people financially in getting it done. The Iranian government is totally supportive of transsexuality. The reason for this is that the Qur'an mentions absolutely nothing about transsexuality so there is no religious basis for condemning it.
Iranian society is a whole different ball game, of course.
Homosexuality, on the other hand, is punishable by death.
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And why should we have gender roles to begin with? What happen to freedom? I most certainly wouldn't want my kid to be forced into a gender role against their own will.
